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Jorgen Matsi wrote:
IMO Shu Ha Ri is a counterproductive approach in MA learning and belongs to the history books alongside other interesting japanese cultural phenomenons.
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Shu-ha-ri is not only NOT countrproductive to
traditional budo training, it is essential.
See my post above about CQB, however. If you goal is combative skill, yes, shu-ha-ri may indeed not be the path for you. If you want to learn trad. budo, however, it is part and parcel of the methodology and systemology of the practice.
Even, however, in the unarmed combatives a taught in modern militaries (the US Army's current method is based deeply in BJJ), students FIRST learn via kata, then move that basic knowledge of technique application into free-play.
In order to train lots of people how to deal with physical violence rapidly and efficiently, there are much better methods than those of traditional budo.
But to learn traditional budo, there is no better method than learn-integrate-break, as embodied in the kata-based systems of aikido, judo, kendo, et al.
As far as talking combat-effective vs trad. MA, it's an apples-oranges thing.
Chuck