Thread: Ikkyo pin
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Old 02-11-2010, 06:30 AM   #18
Amir Krause
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Re: Ikkyo pin

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Chris Hein wrote: View Post
The same way you stop them from rolling out of any other classic Japanese pin, hold a weapon over them threatening them. If they roll out hit/cut them with said weapon.

Ever notice how Ueshiba holds a bladed hand over the person he's pinning. Aikido (like many classical jujutsu) pins sacrifice some control for mobility.

For example side mount (Bjj) is a very good secure pin, however it's hard to get out of if the guy on bottom wants to hold you there (while his buddy runs you through). However the Ikkyo pin allows quick escape (to avoid his buddy running you through) but is not super secure. We make up for this lack of control by holding a weapon over the person we are pinning.
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Szczepan Janczuk wrote: View Post
This is most important key to understand ikkyo pin what Chris is saing. This pin was not designed to pin somebody during 1 minute or make him surrender. It served to hold attacker only for the time of use defenders own weapon to finish attacker. In the same time it preserves defender mobility and freedom of reaction to harmonise with environment.

That is why it is very easy to roll out of ikkyo pin.

Having said that, it is very important to work hard to improve the efficiency of ikkyo pin to make roll out more and more difficult.
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George S. Ledyard wrote: View Post
Yes!
Wanted to post the same thing.

A trained person can get out of most of the Aikido pins, but if the pin is done correctly, it takes too long to get out of, assuming the time is used by Tori to draw his own weapon and cuts.

Amir
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