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Old 01-02-2021, 06:13 AM   #11
StefanHultberg
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Re: Body, mind, and spirit

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Bernd Lehnen wrote: View Post
This is may be the one most spread misconception by "westerners", to think that other cultures like Japanese think, feel and make up their universe the same way as ethnic groups who take greek logic as the source of their cultural paradigm. But even yin - yang, in - yo seem not prone to such a clear distinction or also day and night, death and life, in the same way many "westerners" would like to see it.

If we won't or can't take Ueshiba OSensei's words as advice how to do our „ internal training" as a precondition to Aikido, I doubt we will ever come near his concept, if there ever was any.
From my perspective, πάντα ῥεῖ (everything is moving and nothing remains the same) and aikido are the nearest aphorisms to each other, if anything at all is there to compare.

Stefan,
If we are lucky we will grow older and life will take its toll, the growing wish to get things better into perspective included. So, nothing out of the ordinary here…

Best,
Bernd
Dear Berndt

Thank you for your comment. I appreciate your feedback greatly. I have a few short (I hope) comments.

Nothing out of the ordinary, no - if it was it would be pointless to discuss. Aikido provides the whole range of technique - from 8 months old to 88+ years old - definitely physical and to a large degree mental. It does seem to me though that the spiritual aspect tends to be given a more humble role, sometimes being in the center indeed, but more often (I think) being relegated to a more humble place, ignored, or even ridiculed. Spiritual need is universal and to me there is a clear possibility for aikido to supplement at least part of that need. To me it has been instrumental, but what makes it important is that there is a potential match between "demand and supply" through aikido. Perhaps, I thought it could be an interesting avenue to explore,

In terms of nomenclature in aikido discussions one often encounters the age old problem of whether monks only get to reach nibbana I do realize the huge variance in terms of cultures and languages in the various regions of the world. I am adopting a standardized and pretty well used, not only in the west, terminology in order to convey some thoughts. It is a model, nothing more, and of course it will differ from the "japanese" model just like my middle-swedish snow terminology is very far from the one encountered when talking to one of the sami in northern sweden. We try to integrate and translate - and that is a good process. No mistake, no misunderstanding - just a wish to discuss and understand - and the more that process can be aided the more aikido and aikidoka can benefit. I, of course can satisfy my curiosity around O-Sensei's "spirituality". Thankfully, despite the problem with the "monasterial exclusivity" , much of what is described about O-Sensei's spirituality (or is it Kishomaru Doshu's?) is very similar to both taoist, hindu, and buddhist scripture - shinto I know very little about I'm afraid. The point is that "spiritual" insight tends to be quite similar between the religions even if the deity-models and rituals vary.

I very much value your input. I will keep reflecting on it in my search for O-Sensei's "spirituality"

I wish you a very happy new year !

stefan
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