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Old 08-19-2008, 08:46 AM   #48
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Re: The continued Evolution of Aikido

Philip Burgess wrote: View Post
I hope you don't think that I was pointing a finger. I wasn't, I was pointing out evolution in terms of moving from brutality to humanity. Like the saying goes, from swords to plowshares.

I personally think O'Sensei beliefs are difficult to understand because they are written in a coded way, but the main idea is pretty clear. From what I read he didn't really go into detailed explaining of allot of what he said. But what ever you believe there is a core at O'Sensei's Aikido and that is budo; self-victory, good character, etc. There is a core message at his philosophy that is understandable and universal, peace over war, etc. yet that even has its paradoxes, but O'Sensei was Japanese and of a different era. Point is, you don't have to follow his religious beliefs to understand Aikido isn't about combat fighting like the days of feudal Japan. You don't kill your opponent rather you work from within a modern humaneness- done without inflicting any more pain than is necessary. Most gendai martial arts work from the same humane view including Judo, Shotokan, etc. You don't need to convert to Omoto religion that is a personal choice. But you do have to understand the reasoning behind the application of the techniques are done from a humane base.

What I seen in the clip was well done. But, it is a lateral shift and not evolution. To evolve Aikido you have to do it in all areas of Aikido, and not just technical application of techniques. The would include in the area of technique the approach, principle, etc to result in a evolved way that no physical contact was made and the attacker would lose all aggression. Whether that is possible or not, I don't know. But it would be more in line with evolution of Aikido base on what it is in whole. Adding a technique to Aikido from judo to take a person to the ground is just fighting on a different surface. It is cross-breeding two arts. I am not too familiar with Tomiki Aikido, but I think it already has been done. That is not because Aikido needs Judo to evolve it.

Today with MMA popularity as a sport, many people all they see is MMA. That is maybe because that is all they know because MMA placed it's self in a sports venue which grew out of BJJ. The BJJ idea was take the fight to the ground and use jujitsu and from there venues like UFC were born and molded. They made that style of fighting popular. Sure fights do go to the ground and they always have, and that is where wrestling started so many centuries ago. And MMA appeal is that it mixes standing and ground fighting in one venue. If boxing and wrestling did that before MMA it would have been just as popular as MMA. What am saying is that Aikido techniques working are in a different venue with different purpose when used for MMA purposes then reduced Aikido techniques to their base element of jujitsu. That is appealing to those who are into MMA and what to combine Aikido with MMA. But does placing Aikido techniques into the MMA mix evolve MMA ?

I think seeing MMA evolving Aikido is a natural thing to think from those who started out in the MMA sport, and see Aikido as they see MMA.

I see anything wrong with grafting Aikido technique as the clip shows for MMA use. I honestly don't see it as evolution that improves Aikido, I see that it improves MMA.
We probably will never agree on the methodology of Aikido and could continue this forever. People attribute a lot of things to O'sensei historically that aren't fact. I want go into detail here, that's another thread.

I'm not a traditionalist Aikidoka, so attempting to prove your method of applying Aikido to my method, we"ll just continue to spin our wheels. Ki Aikido, Yoshinkan and Yoseikan Aikido are worlds apart, different methodologies. You want be able to convince one or the other that it's not Aikido. The Aiki concepts are all there.

I suggest reading Stanley Pranin's, "Is O'sensei Really the Father of Modern Aikido." Stanley Pranin has done extensive research on the history of Aikido and has interview many of the early practitioners. He speaks fluent Japanese and lived in Japan for many years from the late 1960's. You may be surprised at the data presented.

By the way, I'm not a fan of the current MMA sport perse. I have always believed in mixing martial arts from the early days of the Jeet Kune Do concept movement nearly over 30 years ago. So with that, MMA is really commercialized. Jeet Kune Do concepts were never commercialized and most people didn't really know what it was 20 or 30 years ago, until the MMA craze brought it to the world. MMA definitely has something that you can take from it, but not really my style. I'm interested strictly in self defense and good exercise for a healthy life style.