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Si Wilson wrote:
They are not throws!!!!! You fall over or flip yourself, but to throw someone requires you to move them, not them move themself!!!!!
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But they fell because of something nage did. So nage's action was required to create the situation where uke falls.
It's like me saying that if you flick your fingers at my eyes and I flinch, that because you didn't actually touch me you didn't really make me move....I did it myself.
Bronson