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Old 10-08-2004, 02:52 AM   #36
Dazzler
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Re: Purists probably won't like this but ...

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Rupert Atkinson wrote:
When you get to the point of applying kote-gaeshi (twisting the wrist) and it doesn't work:

1 You need to re-examine how you got to that point and what you missed out or did wrong - timing / taking balance etc. - the typical answer, and the necessary one to improve your Aiki technique.

2 You also, in my opinion, need to be able to use your body against their wrist in such a way that you can FORCE uke down regardless. Uke has one way out - to fall down away from the PAIN. Otherwise, their wrist will BREAK. It breaks not because you forced it, but because they refused to fall. Once you improve your forcefull method, you will have more confidence at REAL self-defence - the main reason many beginners step into the dojo in the first place (before being bamboozeled by peace and harmony). With this method, it is important to clearly negotiate the training regimen with your partner / class. It is not a nice way to train, and interestingly, after one or two goes at it, ukes fall without resisting too much as, well, it is just too painful to keep resisting!

3 Follows on from '2' in that, if one tech fails (kote-gaeshi), it can be modified by say, quickly applying waki-gatami to break balance and then returning to kote-gaeshi (if it is kote-gaeshi that youreally want to do). In this way, you don't need to stop and start all over again everytime your tech hits a glitch. ... As they say, "How you train is how you fight."

#1 is the best way to improve your tech, and #2 & #3 are also legitimate (necessary even) ways to train, in my opinion.

Note: If you are a beginner, you should not use any force at all, and neither should uke overly resist. In the beginning, you should just learn the shapes and general movement.
Well...point 1 ...fair enough, if a technique isn't working you need to re-examine it. I can go with that.

Point 3 ...If you feel a technique failing move on to something else...yep, I'll buy that too. Developing a sensitive response to ukes movement is certainly part of what I call Aikido.

Point 2....Force uke down? Using pain compliance / threat of a wrist break?

I don't think agree one bit. If you take ukes hand away from his centre using tai sabaki, tenkan, tora fume movement or whatever floats your boat and at the same time remain centred yourself behind the point of contact you will achieve a dominant position without the primitive requirements you suggest.

Sure pain and bone breaking are effective...but call them by their correct name...jujitsu.

This is not Aikido.

NOTE: If you are a beginner you should not use any force at all. Agree...If you are an expert you should not need to.

Finally kotagaeshi uses the natural movments of the wrist which will bend upwards as will the elbow allowing a pain free kotagaeshi primarily functioning due to balance taking.

And movements against the natural movement of the joints are harmful and not necessary. Even Nikkyo, hijikimeosae and sankyo can all be practiced without need for pain.

Respectfully

D

Does this make me a purist? maybe.

If a purist is someone who feels strongly about a mish mash of ju jitsu, fighting and whatever being passed off as Aikido then, yep I'm a purist.

Proud to be a purist.

Last edited by Dazzler : 10-08-2004 at 02:57 AM.
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