...and just to stir the pot, I'm fairly sure wally Jay was a high ranking judoka before he started teaching small circle.
Some notable links
"...Jay began his study of Danzan-Ryu Jujutsu under Juan Gomez, one of the top instructors under the founder Henry Seishiro Okazaki..."
10th Degree Black Belt in Jujitsu
6th Degree Black Belt in Judo
Founder and Grandmaster of Jujitsu America
Founder and Grandmaster of Small Circle JujitsuTM International
Notice the book review.