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Old 03-02-2004, 10:35 AM   #50
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Keith Morgan wrote:
I am not saying Aikido is ineffective,just more the way it is taught and practised.The originator of this whole discussion was concerned about their aggressors ability to pull away from a lock.That doesn't surprise me.A lock was originally designed for one thing only,to break.Many of the more complex hold downs and pins,could only be achieved once a dislocation or break had been applied.It is only modern training that seems to portray locks as some sort of control and restraint technique.Have you ever seen how many police officers it takes to "escort" someone who doesn't want to go,even with a 'control and restraint' lock on?
Sorry but to me this just comes across as simply theorizing in effort to convince yourself or your students of this.

I have trained police officers and prison guards and pretty soon in my experience they find that their partners and other officers start asking them or deferring to them to escort the perp. In my experience, police officers training in locks is usually as superficial as their fire arm training.

They need a lot more training than they get and

because of that you see the problems. Sometimes very tragic.

In Aikido, there are formal finishes and then many variations more appropriate to practical situations rather than the dojo. It's a simple matter to make the student aware of this in their training.

IIRC what Ted said about the aggressor pulling away from a lock, it sounded to me like a classic situation that can be solved by a little training to be open to going with the aggressor's ki at that moment. More of an issue of training in freestyle where the ki is constantly changing. Not an issue of needing to add atemi. Not being on the mat with him and seeing exactly the situation he had in mind I was loath to offer internet solutions, but I am reminded of my late teacher's reminder to "unstick your feet".


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