Sorry Erik, I wasn't trying to define what aikido was or wasn't, I was simply expressing what I thought was repeatedly told to me (the force issue).
I'm aware of that and don't be sorry about it, at least with me. I wasn't even really reacting to your post, nor trying to get up on a high horse (at least this time) as the post may have implied. Rather, I was just trying to make a point which has been made to me many times and trying to do it in a different manner than someone else in this thread. Sans that post I'd have stayed quiet.