Sorry about that "BILL" big mistake on my part to mess up your name...sometimes my fingers type faster than my mind can think. After reading your post and re-reading mine, I think I may have come across kind of preachy. That wasn't my intention, and I apologize if it sounded condescending. I meant it when I said I am glad that your dojo is doing well and growing... It seems everybody has a different perspective on just how to make a dojo grow (both in numbers and in spirit). That's very true even within the small number of poeple in the dojo I'm part of, and it is another reason I started this thread. I wanted to get different perspectives and opinions. Truly, thank you for you input.