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Old 03-11-2003, 09:09 AM   #9
Chuck Clark
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Peter Rehse wrote:
The way I understand it, and remember I am having difficulty with the concept, is that it is kime even before the lock is completely in place.

I also do not understand that and don't use the term that way. I guess it could be being used as the point "when the technique begins to give pain" or to use decisive intent to cause pain.

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