Well it was just me, shodan and groupie there. Shodan acted like he deflected everyone. Groupie acted like he just saw the throw. but hey I knew and anyway I WANTED to learn something. I didn't think of it as a "victory" I was just disappointed that where I was training a shodan couldn't stop that little attack. Didn't give me alot to look forward to. But later on, if you read my post in the introductions, I think I found out why the students at this dojo didn't have the answer.