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Old 07-01-2014, 11:37 AM   #99
kewms
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Re: Introduction + The missing Atemi

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Jon Reading wrote: View Post
I am contending the general logic that implies that [unsuccessful] application of waza is somehow a reflection that is embarrassing. I advocate that most people understand that failure is simply part of a larger process.

I am not contesting your personal experiences, but I am challenging the leaps in argumentation and their implications. These are the questions that float through my head when I read the latest posts...

Through your post, is one to infer, that while you could not demonstrate aiki without injuring your partner... you could demonstrate aiki? Is injury just collateral? Are you making a contingent claim that if injuring your partner is OK, then you could demonstrate aiki?

Through Katherine's posts, is one to infer that training aiki results in either success that causes injury, or failure which causes embarrassment? Why would I be embarrassed if I have difficulty working with someone?
The whole thread started with the experiences of a person who was unimpressed with aikido because the person he was working with failed to handle his attack successfully. So yes, that particular individual did "look bad," the OP did NOT understand this as part of the learning process, and the effect was that aikido as a whole was viewed negatively. Which I think we can all agree was not a desirable outcome. Whether the OP's response was reasonable is another issue, and is what this particular subthread is about.

As for my own comments, I think you are the one who is missing the logical thread.

IF I have to choose between looking bad and injuring my partner, THEN I will choose to look bad.

I did not say that those are the only choices, and in fact in most cases yes of course there are other options. Rather I was discussing a hypothetical (IF!) case where, say, my partner was doing something that put him in danger.

IF the path of a throw puts my partner in the path of the person next to me, THEN I may need to abort the throw. IF this causes my partner to think my technique is ineffective, THEN I am okay with that. IF my partner's lack of ukemi skills puts his shoulder at risk, THEN I may have to use a less effective takedown. IF this creates an opening for my partner to reverse my technique, THEN I am okay with that. Do you see how this works?

Katherine
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