I found some randori.
Folk please watch this, to my eyes this is more relevant to the argument between me and a few others in this thread than the two kata vids posted by Carsten
If either of the two combatants took time to use the butt they would be shishkebabed.
It can happen, sure, but that would amount to messing about.
Your talking of "... iaido vid ...", "... kendo world ... "
"Kendo World" is plastered across the base of the video and you're asking me
if I watched it!?
I had another quick look at the iaido vid, and sure, its an iaijutsu vid, my bad.
Still just kata.