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Old 10-31-2013, 03:59 AM   #9
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Re: YouTube: Christian Tissier at 2013 World Combat Games

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Philip Zeplin-Frederiksen wrote: View Post
I wish the Uke's had been a bit better, ...
Bruno Gonzales, godan, is a longterm student of Christian Tissier. He is one of the assistant teachers in his dōjō. So be it considered bad or good by us onlookers it is at least exactly the way his ukemi is expected to be by his teacher.
If you check out the Demonstrations of Christian Tissier at Paris Bercy you will see Gonzales giving ukemi in a different way.

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... the entire thing had been a little less stop-motion'ish.
Do you see a difference between the first part (osae waza) and the second part (nage waza), well, and also part three and four? Or do you see this stop-motion throughout the whole demonstration?

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But I'm not entirely sure under what circumstances the demonstration was held, and what expectations were, so whatever.
Tissier is showing what can be called "didactical forms" in allmost every demonstration.
Having studied his style for some yeas the structure of his demo is familiar to me. It's not random but shows how he is teaching aikidō. The stops at certain (not random) points in the technique are a tool, that is used by tori to controll position, posture, connection ... by himself. To do the transitions in katamae waza very precise is considered to be crucial in this way of aikidō.

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Janet Rosen wrote: View Post
... good in a dojo setting where you want to show idealized forms (kata - nage and uke roles) for students to emulate.
This describes very nice what Tissier is trying to do. And not only in the first part. He often states that what he shows and teaches openly should allways considered to be didactical forms.
He explicetly doesn't show "free movement" or "applied technique".

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... an uke who is willing to stand, frozen in space, during the technical transitions rather than continually turn towards nage to at least try to continue to attack ...
1. As I said those hold-on-positions are not random, but clearly defined positions. When you execute the waza in one flow there will be a transition of hands, controll by tori etc. but there will (should) be no "freedom" for uke. Uke will (should) be controlled the whole way through. The stops are made to work on those transitions.
So for the purpose of working on those key positions uke is required to not do "non-kata-moves". So tori has not to react to whatever behaviour, but can work the form. Obiously this requiremt is usually needed only during the first stages of learning. (see point 3.)

2. You may notice that there is a difference between the omote waza and the ura waza. In ura waza, when uke is expected to come to tori, the halts are far less extreme - if they exis at all (watch out ikkyo and nikyo ura) then for omote waza where tori is expected to work towards uke.

3. Having said all that: I recommend to try out an advanced student of this way of practice. It is the aim of this stop-motion-tool to control uke clearly even during the halt of the technique. For to learn to be able to do the trasitions of the katama waza not only because of speed and movement, but technically. So, if this method works out fine uke will finally not be able to "turn towards nage to at least try to continue to attack" because tori is able to controll him even during those halts of technique and doing the transitions needed for the katame waza.

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... makes it look like a dance.
Well, Tissier often speaks about the "agreements" we make for being able to learn aikidō. Endō simply calls it "kata". ;-)

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Robin Boyd wrote: View Post
It looks like he has injured his right knee. I wonder what effect that had on the demonstration, ...
Tissier's knee was injured some years ago. Someone was thrown full force into his 's knee from the side. He managed to get back on the tatami, but never recoverd from that incident.
Watching him, you may sometimes recognize that his steps are not allways so precise like they used to be. And sometimes he is equilibrium is not as good as it could or should be.
But this is not the reason for the way he shows aikidō that is discussed here. It's a problem apart from his teaching method or understanding of demonstration.

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Joe Curran wrote: View Post
I do not see any MARTIAL applications in his work.
As I said above: Tissier often states that he does not show what he understands as "martial applications" openly. So one can like this attitude or not, but to look for martial application in demonstrations (or the theaching) of Tissier means to put wrong expections on his demos.
His more dynamic demonstrations in former times are often misunderstood to show martial effectiveness. As far as I understand him that's not true. It is just his way of ki no nagare.

You sometimes can get a glimps of what Tissier understands (and practices) concerning martial spirit and effectiveness, when you see him doing the swordwork he adapted from Inaba sensei. Above all when he corrects and teaches his near students to become more "sharp". When he underlines this using body movemen, aikidō movement. Very interesting!

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... Tissier Sensei didnt even break sweat nere ....
This made me grin: This can be a sign of uncommitted practice, but can also be a sign of very advanced practice.

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Janet Rosen wrote: View Post
Nah, those two always showed proper connection and flow
Quite a number of students who follow Tissier where led to Argentine tango via aikidō ...
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