Kata vs Kumite..........
This "argument" is now like beating the blood out of a fossilized dead horse.... There have been some quirky beliefs expressed, but believes, philosophies, etc. cannot trump the fact that the proof/truth is tangible. What constitutes training that does not result in real abilities amidst real situations vs what does work is kind of obvious.
OK... So you contributed next to nothing to this thread. You didn't even address one of the questions in the initial post.
Kata vs Kumite?
If one were limited to the "standard" attacks of aikido, but practiced in a way that was more like kumite than kata, would those attacks be effective?
What is "kind of obvious," Marc? I think overlooking the obvious is where most of us get ourselves into trouble.