View Single Post
Old 06-14-2012, 02:56 PM   #33
Chris Li
 
Chris Li's Avatar
Dojo: Aikido Sangenkai
Location: Honolulu, Hawaii
Join Date: Dec 2000
Posts: 2,952
United_States
Offline
Re: Why people don't like Aikikai?

Quote:
J�rgen Jakob Friis wrote: View Post
Well for starters they maintain the only place in the world where you can meet and train with a very wide array of great senseis under the same roof. Also whenever a new national organisation is being formed they provide a framework and good advice for those doing the work. They also do work nationally and internationally in order to promote Aikido, and I have hear several stories from our national organisation about how they have had fruitful interaction with the Aikikai.
I'm still not sure what "fruitful" means - nor have I seen much in the way of concrete organizational help, except general encouragement. And yes, I've seen some of those meetings where this stuff is discussed - hombu's attitude is extremely hands off.

Most of the actual nitty gritty of setting up a legal organization where-ever you are - they're not qualified or prepared to help you with.

I suppose your opinion of training at hombu may be different than mine, but I think that there's more, and better, training elsewhere for a number of reasons. Even if that weren't the case, most people never get there.

Quote:
J�rgen Jakob Friis wrote: View Post
They do also to a certain extend lend a seal of approval to anybody starting a recognized dojo. Action speaks louder than affiliation for us who are already in the art, but for the rank beginner who gathers his or her information from the internet and books, it's comforting to know that the Aikikai has at least some supervision (through national organisations) over the dojos around the world.
When actually talking to most beginners I find that very few of them even know what the Aikikai is - for that matter, it's the same with a lot of regular Aikido students. Honestly, for me that's a zero benefit, and frankly - there's zero supervision and no over-riding national organization in the US.

Quote:
J�rgen Jakob Friis wrote: View Post
well.. no... but if you want to continue practicing the catholic rituals and call yourself a catholic, then you would be expected to stay in contact with Rome. Should you choose to break that relation then I hardly think you would call yourself a catholic anymore. In the same manner breaking away from the Aikikai should result in choosing a different name for what you do. I know 'Aikido' is not 'one thing' and therefore can be expressed in an endless number of shapes and forms, but it would at least not be 'Aikikai Aikido' anymore.
Well, no, it might by Yoshinkan Aikido, for example .

Interestingly, the word "Aikido" is not trademarked in Japan.

Quote:
J�rgen Jakob Friis wrote: View Post
well - I agree that change may very well be needed in some areas. But I still think we all have as much of a responsibility to create this change. How should the people at the Aikikai be able to create the organization that best aid the growth of Aikido if we do not tell them about how we fell, and what we think should be changed? They can't ask everybody, so those who go there will have more of a saying, and those who meet with Aikikai teachers at seminars around the world also have some influence. It's not perfect.. but you have - at least in theory - a chance to be heard.
In modern cooperative member-based organizations - you do ask everybody. Welcome to democracy.

Best,

Chris

  Reply With Quote