Yeah, IMHO I think it's a semantic difference. I think I can count the number of times even the "ouchy" techniques like yonkyo or nikkyo have truly felt painful, and only then because I was not doing proper ukemi. When working in a focused way with a good partner, though, I often feel "urgently compelled to move" with the threat of pain if I don't respond with good ukemi.
This sense of being urgently compelled is important - it's the clearest (and kindest, in a funny way) nonverbal communication between uke and nage that I (in my one little year of experience) have felt. Which is what I'm in it for.
Last edited by Deb Fisher : 10-02-2002 at 02:40 PM.