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Old 01-09-2012, 05:43 PM   #27
DH
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Re: Morihei's changing picture.

You will note it was you...again you. who diverged from the thread in your first post.
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While on the subject, as the interview cited above indicates, while many of the techniques of Aikido evolved out of Daito Ru, O Sensei changed them so that in the context of Aikido they were performed in a significantly different manner. In fact we know that O Sensei cautioned us repeatedly not to get too hung up on techniques as Take Muso Aiki transcends technique. Aikido mimics the movement of the sword and other weapons as well as the movements of nature. Modern Aikido owes far less to Daito Ru. So the history is not the history of O Sensei rebranding Daito Ru. It is the history of his creating a new and distinctive art.
What does this have to do with anything related to a picture?In internet ettiquate this is my thread. So stay back on point and can all of the unrelated discussion.

No one is attacking you. Here we are arguing ideas. Your ideas are distinct and out of place from those whom I have met in your organization. Would you prefer me to not mention that? I can do that. If you somehow feel insulted by that- you have my apologies. And for the record you should review the language you have continually used in the past regarding myself and about six other people. I have noted in the past that whenever someone disagrees with you and uses references to you or your teacher or to aikido in general, you plead with Jun that you are being ganged up on and personally attacked. You've done it over and over with several different people. You should take note that you are running to educated budo people who as a group...dissagree with many of your views. That sir, is not our fault or problem. If you want to spear head some poorly developed ideas than do so, but at least own it.

We can solve your dilema of feeling personally attacked by never even addressing you as a person and still make the exact same points. Such as Aikido not being a weapons art.

These days it is rare, and getting rarer year by year to hear people still use the old refrain that aikido is a sword art. It's just simply not true and most people now know it is not historically accurate, provably accurate, and does not have any pedogogy to even make it reasonably accurate.
We can say Ueshiba liked the sword, but you would make a better argument saying that aikido was a bayonet art, since he loved that and had at least some form of formal training in that and they would practice it and he would practice spear as well. But make no mistake there was no lengthy and formal training in any koryu to base your statement that aikido is based on the sword. He would wach others practice legitimate (most likely just omote) koryu forms and pick some things he liked and say In aiki we do it this way. Many of the guys from the early days either previously had or went out and found their own weapons training.... outside of aikido.

The weapons used in aikido are for aikido. Enjoy them, revel in them, just stop confusing what they are to what they are not.
Dan

Last edited by DH : 01-09-2012 at 05:58 PM.
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