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Old 02-01-2010, 10:17 AM   #32
Ellis Amdur
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Re: "Hidden in Plain Sight" - Shinkage ryu menkyo

Erick - The contents of Goto-ha Yagyu Shingan-ryu are well known. It is publicly demonstrated. YOur questions about the menkyo and the nature of Goto-ha Yagyu Shingan-ryu are answered in my book. Ueshiba stated explicitly that he learned jujutsu from Nakai. Stan's entry has not been updated for many years - he knows a lot more about the subject now. There is no document or quote anywhere that I am aware of UEshiba using the formulation "aikido" or "aiki" is love anywhere in the 1920's.
Your entire thesis is based on two fantasies:
1. That "old kenjutsu" MUST refer to YSR. The only assertion ever made of such is yours. The irony is, in koryu, YSR is not considered "old kenjutsu" - it's rather new.
2. That muto-dori is anything like aikido (it's not).

And the answer to your question is He had an experience of golden light in 1923, in 1960 something referred to "old kenjutsu," which almost surely refers to his Shinto preoccupations (read "Aikido is Three Peaches," in HIPS version, not AJ). Ueshiba, in this vein, refers to the sword as "tsurugi" not katana.

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