Peter A Goldsbury
Since your explanation is more confusing to me than how we use the terms in my own dojo, I think I'll bow out of this discussion. I think the best course would be for someone from your own dojo, who understands the terms, to show you directly.
I truly appreciate the attempt. I'm sorry I wasn't getting it. I will defintely ask Goldberg Sensei. The whole subject is probably better discussed when everything can be demonstrated in person. Words sure fail me on this one.