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Old 10-20-2009, 12:31 PM   #16
Allen Beebe
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Re: Measuring IP within kata

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I've covered parts of this before, but when you're training to "blend" in regular aikido practice, you're working on timing, body positioning, applications of the body's physical weaknesses (ex. dropping someone in a "hole"), etc. These are all jujutsu based training. "Relaxing" and "being soft" aren't internal principles, as pertains to aiki, at all.
This is what I identify as the Jujutsu of the tripartite: Jujutsu, Aiki-Jujutsu, Aiki no Jutsu.

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So, when training Internal Skills (IS) and trying to work on timing, body placement, etc, that sort of detracts from building those skills. It isn't that those skills aren't important, just different than aiki.
This is the beauty of solo and then paired exercises aimed specifically at, first the awareness of, and then the development of, "aiki" or whatever one labels it. Of course, as you well know, one can screw these up and be self-deluded just as easily as they can anything else. Hence the profound utility of someone further along the path *skillfully* leading the way.

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The warm ups done in Aikido are another example. Most work them as limbering up exercises, precursors to jujutsu movement in techniques, semi-centering exercises based upon physical body movements, etc. How many actually do these warm ups with a full focus on Intent driven movement? Not imagination, not thinking, but Intent driven that makes you overheat and start sweating in about a minute, all the while you've only completed about one or two repetitions of one exercise -- not five minutes of aerobic type body movement.
Precisely! At least in my experience and opinion.

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When you have no aiki and you're looking at things from the outside, trying to develop a way of training that includes something you have no experience in and your body doesn't have the structure ... yeah, tough to integrate IT and regular aikido practice.
I agree and, and in fact would say that EVERYTHING is tough!

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One thing that I'd most definitely change is the warm up exercises. Do them Internally without all the physical jujutsu level aspects. Add shiko.
Agreed, but that is the unpleasant paradox isn't it? One can't do what one doesn't know how to do until one knows how to do it! It is rough going and IMO everyone sits on a continuum. Even the presumed "experts" sit on a continuum of ability and understanding held relative to what those who judge know. This is pretty much unavoidable. I can appreciate some of their frustration though. It must be like parents talking to their children. The truth seems pretty obvious to the parents, but it isn't until the children are mature enough to see what their parent's see that they realize this. Still, I think it is healthy for parents to recognize they exist on a continuum of understanding as well . . . it develops compassion and makes their job a little less frustrating . . . a little.

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And then you get to the tricky part. Applicational usage of aiki. Just how do you build a curriculum that trains this while still keeping within the realm of Ueshiba's aikido.
Here is where, to my understanding, Aiki Jujutsu and then Aiki no Jutsu begin . . . hopefully. I am led to believe that as one progresses in Aiki Jujutsu the probability of arriving at a true Aiki no Jutsu increases rapidly. But I wonder if everyone is capable of "freeing their mind" enough for a truly substantial shift along those lines. If one just looks at the terms it is telling.

Anyway, I feel particularly fortunate because Shirata sensei left an explicit pedagogical model illustrating how the method of developing these skills directly integrates into the waza. My learning of Aikido begins and ends with that. There is no re-engineering necessary it has all been done for me. Basically one is handed "the crown jewels" right when they walk in the door . . . and it isn't waza. How cool is that! [I was floored when I learned that this, IMO, essential piece of curriculum is not taught by all students of my teacher.] Of course the unfortunate paradox still applies, one doesn't know any of this until one knows. For my part, I am happily aware of what I do know and painfully aware, based on past experience, that there must be loads that I am un-aware of. Nobody said it would be easy!

Still, as always, I'd be happy to share with you Mark, particularly since your experiences so far will most probably be enlightening to me.

Kind regards,
Allen

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