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Old 08-20-2009, 02:05 PM   #86
David Orange
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Re: Steven Seagal seems like a jerk teacher. A bit at least...

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And sometimes, demonstrating the depths that humans can sink to can go a long way towards creating a consciousness of need which will move people to action, action which will bring about the revolution of peace about which you speak. Without action there really is no peace at all.
And if you can pocket a million bucks in the process of hyping violence to promote peace...why not, huh?

You can rationalize prostitution but it's hard to claim it's not still prostitution when you're haggling so hard about the price!

...the nature of aikido and how it is used is certainly as important as the nature and depiction of the katana, both as an instrument of death and protection and as a shaper of a society.

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Where is any evidence that O-Sensei would support this ridiculously simple perversion of Aiki is love.
I'm sure he'd rather see Seagal gouging people's eyes out as the final expression of his "art of peace," huh?

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You have already stated you don't believe something that we have all heard him say via interviews and films. So as you reject what the founder, himself says Aikido is, you want people to believe that you have any idea about his art.
I don't believe that "love" is the technical definition of "aiki" because people like Sagawa and Horikawa make it clear that they are talking about a technical skill. I do believe that "aikido"--the creation of Morihei Ueshiba--is fundamentally an expression of his love for humanity and the universe. He didn't pass that gift to you so that you could use it to unclog your toilet.

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Truthfully speaking, you don't even have your own reasons for your statements. You are using your own twisted views of Aikido as your defense for your statements.
Twisted how, Shaun? I use aikido to serve the people--not to serve myself. I don't make money off it,even by teaching--much less by pimping it out in graphic pornoviolence.

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That is simply a pathetic excuse, like what the religious sycophants use to defend blowing up abortion doctors - something I have a feeling you probably support, too.
Shows how poor your perception is shaun. I'm don't beieve Jesus would support blowing up abortion doctors or that he would condemn them or the women who need them. Obviously, what's in that hage atama of yours doesn't have much connection to reality, huh?

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This is probably the single most unsupported point posted here on AikiWeb. You stand there on your rickety soapbox preaching away your religious rant about what the founder wanted for the world without offering anything to back up your twisted, perverted, negatively charged, witless diatribe.
So you do think that O Sensei wanted us to portray aikido as Seagal shows it in Hard to Kill and Marked for Death? He eschewed such violent fantasizing because the peace of aikido is not generated by working up that kind of sick, violent fantasy in the mind. That just generates more sickness. And someone who profits by that is on a par with a crack dealer, in my book.

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Protest? You mean rant! You sit behind a keyboard and have done absolutely nothing to bring about the change you claim to defend.
I just do right aikido and never pimp it out.

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Have you written his production company and communicated your feelings?
Have you contacted anyone in Hollywood to communicate you opinions and request a change?
Have you written a movie and submitted it with Seagal Sensei (someone that you already agree has a great power to effect the world's subconsciousness) in mind?
Have you contacted Seagal Sensei directly?

No... No... No... and No...

Why?
I did once approach a pimp who was manhandling a woman and got the pimp and his brother both after me. I have learned that it's no use to come between a pimp and his girls. Ergo...no, I haven't made any overtures as you suggested. It's enough just say that Seagal has misused aikido. And that he seems to cultivate an image as a jerk. IMHO.

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...you are a coward and you are so declared by using your own standards exemplified here on AikiWeb. You have failed to stand up and defend your own principles.
You funny, boy. I have continually defended my principles. You want to call me "a coward" via keyboard...seems to me that's the very definition of cowardice.

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Instead you wave O-Sensei's flag while at the same time changing its colors to suit your own misaligned inaction.
What???

That doesn't even make Bizarro sense, Shaun. You want to try that again?

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You are the coward you ineffectively slashes about with your plastic toy sword trying to do damage to anyone standing within striking distance of the soapbox castle which you claim to defend in the name of some Holy War of Justice Is that the name you have chosen for your soon to be filmed autobiography?
You really are funny, dude. I have no war to prosecute. I'm just saying and will continue to say that Steven Seagal's movies are a prostitution of aikido and that using that tool of peace to make money off violence, without concern for the effect that those images have on the world is, yes, indeed, as evil as selling crack or meth to kids. I'll stand on that one all day and night.

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You claim some high moral ground upon which you preach down your rants of hate.
I don't hate Seagal. I really pity him. I was a big fan of some of the super cool Chinese movies out in the early 80s, stuff like "Kid With the Golden Arm" and "Ninja Challenge". When Above the Law came out, my friends and I thought that this might be the beginning of an age of good American movies to match those Chinese movies. But alas: earwax.

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The truth is you are a coward who stand in a hole, actually a latrine that you have dug for yourself, and worse for the aikido community at large - and this all in the name of the founder, Morihei Ueshiba.
Let's see, now...that's three times you've called me a coward from behind a keyboard but I don't see any action from you. Just talk.

But Lao Tzu does say "Accept disgrace willingly," so I don't mind a guy like you nipping at my heels. "The greatest good is like water. It flows in places men reject, and so is like the tao."

I'll be happy to remain in places you reject.

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Get a life and stand up for yourself before you come out and claim to stand up for the higher principles of O-Sensei's Aikido, a thing about which you obviously know nothing.
I've stood for myself. I've felt no force to move me, so what's your beef? You're the one making impotent cries. You stand up for yourself.

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Oh, and was that you who ran out screaming after getting rebuffed for reaching your hand under the wall into my bathroom stall when at the airport down in AL? Why don't you come out of the closet already, or is that where you keep your soapbox when not standing on it?
Bring your feelings on out, Shaun. We see what's in your closet here, don't we? Not at all what one would expect from seeing your fierce profile pic. You're really a pretty funny guy!

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lastly, is seems totally lost upon you that via your own twisted logic used here in this thread that you would be considered EVIL. You have chosen to continue to unnecessarily malign people to serve your own good, when you could just as easily choose to do something positive to bring about the betterment of others.
I've tried to be clear that I'm not maligning Steven Seagal (except to agree that he does 'seem' like a jerk, or seems to cultivate the image of a jerk). I'm maligning his movies and his choice to abuse aikido for profit. I'm not saying he's going to hell for it. Many people do evil things and still, presumably, enter paradise. But I don't think his misuse of aikido and violent imagery will make that easier for him.

[quote=Shaun Ravens;238364]As such you would be relegated to hell, an imaginary place made up by and for the self-righteous and self deluted, which you have proven yourself to be... "a bit at least"

Nice qualification, there.

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Oh, and in the name of Stan Baker.... "Who your teacher?"
As you told someone...it's on my profile. Look it up.

Cheers, Henny!

David

Last edited by David Orange : 08-20-2009 at 02:09 PM.

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