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Old 07-30-2008, 11:43 AM   #23
Ron Tisdale
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Re: Pre War Aikido, 1930 through Iwama period

Salim, let's be clear. That is a picture of Ueshiba doing a reclining pin. That in and of itself IS NOT indicative of a developed newaza curriculum, or anything like what you see in certain styles of judo, or BJJ where positional dominance and transition strategy come into play.

I'm not saying that those things absolutely didn't exist...I know some Yoshinkan instructors from the early days that demonstrate a variety of reclining pins, and there may have been more behind them...

But what you present does not make a very convincing case there.

Best,
Ron (one reclining pin in a picture does not newaza make)
PS I would have no problems if there WAS newaza, just trying to be logical.

Ron Tisdale
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