Sorry Mark, if you took offense. This is just aikido with short hands rather than extended ones. Moe (a Tomiki man) would call flamidamide aikido.
No, no offense at all. I just was trying to get you to view things from a different standpoint because when people think they're doing the same thing as another group, they tend to not look very thoroughly. And if they aren't doing the same thing, a lot of important stuff can be missed. As quite a few people who thought they were doing the same thing and found out that they weren't can attest to.
Short hands, extended hands ... doesn't matter if you have the structure we are working on.