George S. Ledyard
This thread will never die as long as people keep trying to treat Aikido as some sort of fighting system. As long as folks try to pound a square peg into a round hole, this thread will go on and on as people note that the square peg doesn't fit in the round hole.
Agreed. A first step might be for those that have the peg to be clear with people what sort of whole it's meant for...