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Chris Hein wrote:
If the techniques chosen for Aikido were centerd on weapon taking, ...
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If.
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Chris Hein wrote:
If you look at a technique like the Katate dori tai no henka Kokyu nage, where you tai no henka to the katate dori grab, then extend forward and throw uke in a forward roll. If uke simply lets go of your hand, he can avoid the throw, and take a superior position behind you.
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Well, he's warding with the arm in waki against an otherwise free shot to the short ribs or underarm nerve plexus with the elbow or hand. If he lets go the hand its a different kokyunage ...
Plus, he gets the elbow in the face with the reverse kokyu nage (if he drops or allows to overcarry his arm) or, (if he raises the arm) you get the rib shot and carry his arm up and over into modified ikkyo omote (if he doesnt turn toward you), or further up and back into sumi otoshi ura, (if he does). If he keeps the arm just where it is then you close it up and koshi nage omote (turning toward you) or aiki otoshi ura (turning away) . If he lets go to try to recover late, after the throw has begun. you just irimi, wrapping around under the arm into a modified kaiten-nage or disregard it altogether for men-nage.
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Chris Hein wrote:
This throw seems foolish unless uke has a reason that he MUST hold your hand. It's not only logical for him to let go, it's natural. So why would he HAVE to hold your hand, even if it means taking the fall .
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But he does, so it isn't, and yes, showing the weapon in nage's hand makes it ever so much more clear.
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Chris Hein wrote:
While I agree that the techniques work wonderfully for weapon taking, the forms, would suggest that they are more likely weapon retention.
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Yes, win by keeping yours or win by taking his. In-yo. Same - same, just opposite. So?