Kevin Leavitt

Chris I understand....it makes for a good discussion though.

You are correct that there are people that can take alot of punishment of course, that will take a hit and not do what you wanted them to. That is why we have other means, like judo type throws, single/double legs, clinch, and taking their back.

The fact remains though that we can't move on to resolving (finishing) until we achieve dominance/control. This is especially true if indeed your punches are not working!

As far as escalation of force...you can apply that along the model of close, control, finish. It all depends on your skill level, training, weapons and of course, situational luck!