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Old 12-21-2007, 02:22 AM   #131
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Re: Love to hear your oppinions on this video.

David Valadez wrote: View Post
Hi Larry,

Thanks for the reply.

Well, I went myself to your site to check out your videos... I think you are being too generous in discussing commonalities with differences here or there - important, major, or not - when it comes to what we each are doing. I would say we are not doing the same thing at all. We may use the same words to describe what we do, but that's about it. I, of course, have no problem with you saying what you do is the same thing that I say I do, but we do not do the same art form. I wouldn't expect a banker or a ship builder to jump in here and understand what I'm training in or for or by any more than I would a TKD player, than I would an Olympic Boxer, than I would you. We just are doing something too different, and the sameness of our nomenclature only makes that contrast more unbridgeable than anything else. Other readers of this thread can look at the two types of training and decide for themselves on whether we are looking at unsurmountable differences or not (i.e. contexts that will never be shared - making reasonable discussion very unlikely). For me, in my opinion, our discussions should probably be about things other than technical/training matters - which still leaves plenty to discuss, especially since I do enjoy your posts.

I'm not sure, but I imagine our differences in arts also allows you to pass over (what I consider to be a contradiction) the pairing of "for me" statements with "let me speak on the behalf of your students" (my paraphrasing), while mixing it all with a denial of "Super Aikidoka" persona, while mine (i.e. my art) does not.

For me, for my Aikido, when a person starts commenting on the welfare of folks they know nothing about, have nothing in common with, bother not to discover more, and/or don't know any real details that are related to them, etc., one is adopting a kind of "I don't need to know" attitude, one that suggests, "I know nonetheless," one that rests itself in a unfounded self-righteousness - which I, humorously call, "Super Aikidoka." For you, I understand, it's not that way. Good. For me, for my art, it's all related - hence my comments, and why they might seem strange to you and your art.

Apologies for dragging you into this.
I find several things about your post disturbing.

You have responded at length to things that I have supposedly said, that I have not said at all.

I have not discussed commonalities, certainly not beyond a broad superficial reference that you seem to assume was about you directly, which it wasn't.

You have characterized things I have stated as my opinions, in a way that portrays them in a completely false light.

You have put words in my mouth, and then used false paraphrasing and veiled innuendo to be frankly insulting.

Your art, or as little as I have seen of it online at least, does not seem strange to me at all, nor do your comments, which have become very condescending.

Nowhere did I say that I do the same thing you do, in fact I clearly stated that I come from a very different place.

I never in any way said or implied anything like "let me speak on the behalf of your students." To characterize what I have said that way, is completely dishonest.

I haven't talked about your style per se. I don't know what your style is really like, I never assumed nor claimed that I did, and I can assure you, you have No idea what mine is like.

I find you to be doing exactly what you are ascribing to me as supposedly doing.

Frankly, I find all that, and more, disingenuous and dishonest. I bow out of this thread, as I am not interested in that kind of "discussion."

Larry Novick
Head Instructor
ACE Aikido
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