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Old 09-02-2007, 03:09 PM   #209
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Re: What technique would you apply to neutralize Brazilian Jujitsu attacker

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Paul Sanderson-Cimino wrote: View Post
Yeah, I'm thinking they had a little more than "spirit". Like "better technique" and possibly "superior training."
It does not matter how good your techniques are, if you have no spirit you can do nothing. Some would say without spirit there is no life, some.

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Paul Sanderson-Cimino wrote: View Post
That doesn't follow. Aikido grabs are very different from BJJ or wrestling takedowns. (See the "Aikido is about weapons" discussions.)
Not the ones that would have been used by trained judoka like Mochizuki and Shioda to attack O'Sensei, and not the ones we use in Yoseikan. If you are limiting the technical scope of Aikido, it is not Aikido.

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Well, since BJJ is basically Kodokan newaza expanded and further-developed, I guess this is more or less accurate. More or less.
I would agree that it is a little more developed then some judo Ne-Waza, but just from the point of view of self defence. Look at Kosen Judo (high school Judo) were the majority of training is done on the ground for safety purposes.

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O-Sensei's training was a lot broader than modern aikido. In fact, he didn't train in modern aikido. He did judo, sumo, and a variety of other things that included grappling.
But the point is he defeated his attackers with the "simple" techniques he was learning from Daito Ryu. This is how Mochizuki Kancho described it! O'Sensei would learn from Takeda, who would only teach him. Then when he left, O'Sensei would call the others back into the dojo and basically say "attack me." From here O'Sensei would use what he had just learnt to defeat all of them. Then when he was finished, the students got a chance to try against each other. No teaching, just training!

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This was not developed from his aiki studies. Rather, in Manchuria, he was on one occasion bitten by a radioactive spider.
My joke is still intended to contain the serious message. Many students who attacked O'Sensei state that it was like he knew how they would attack. One even tried to deceive him by changing his attack, and O'Sensei said, "that won't work either," before he had even attacked. If a man like Mochizuki Kancho recalls stories like this, I can do nothing but believe they were true.

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Paul Sanderson-Cimino wrote: View Post
Yes, it is. Example:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=jUCBOWTazHE

As an aside...wow. Just found this clip on YouTube:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=TPxkEkGUeZU

That does look familiar, I admit. (I don't mean that as a serious argument.) Anyway, though, the arts that focus on fast knockouts via blows to the chin are ones like boxing and Muay Thai.
I study Aikido and I study "fast knockouts via blows to the chin." Again limiting the techniques of Aikido means that it is not Aikido

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Paul Sanderson-Cimino wrote: View Post
But...he did train in grappling!
His small amount of training is both Sumo and Judo would have contributed to his overall martial development, but this does not mean he was a grappler. Takeda only studied Daito Ryu (or whatever it was called back then). Takeda easily overcame O'Sensei when he was challenged him.

Regards,

Last edited by wildaikido : 09-02-2007 at 03:16 PM.

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