Yeah, well it's frustrating to be in the position of "just trying to work and train" things, start to get a decent discussion going and then see it get moved elsewhere (I'm used to derailing in public forums, even done it a time or two - so karma sucks
), but I'm not in any kind of position to really contribute anything substantive to this topic other than ask newbie questions and point at it to other people and say, "Yes, yes . . . is good, try!"
Course, I also think everybody should grow up having done hard, manual labor, participated in combat sports and contributed to a theatrical or musical production (we all have our own biases) . . .