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Old 08-10-2007, 11:22 AM   #1
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Are you pushing?

It seems that if one looks hard enough, one can find quite a bit of historical reading regarding Ueshiba and some of his students being pushed.

Tenry pushed Ueshiba (don't have link handy)

Ueshiba's students pushing on him (multiple links, but I really like this one: http://www.aikidojournal.com/?id=1145 It's in the comment from Ellis about Terry Dobson.)

Tohei being pushed.

Shioda being pushed. (Can find only one link right now. http://www.budovideos.com/shop/custo....php?pageid=10 )

Tomiki is pushed. (Ellis has posts on this here at AikiWeb.)

There really isn't any doubt that Ueshiba and some of his early students used pushing as a way of determining a level of skill.

But, wait, it seems that the Chinese do the very same thing. What, you say? Why, yes, the use nearly the very same tests.

http://www.plumblossom.net/Grandmaster/realdeal.html

http://www.plumblossom.net/Grandmast...ndstaiwan.html

There are many, many examples of Chinese martial artists using a push to determine skill level.

What, then, are the differences? We know there are (Even the Chinese have a variety of ways of doing push hands.) Is it just a matter of individual application of Internal Skill? Or is there really a completely different internal skill in Ueshiba's aikido? One that requires a different training regimen to build? (Some of the basics have to be the same, though.)
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