Cute Tom
I'm the one that responded first and said "It can't be proved. The only ones who truly know are all dead.
What we have is only historical ties, which seem rather logical. Instead of jumping through hoops to make connections that have NO evidance whatsoever, we at least have a solid and proved connection to Takeda. And evidence that Ueshiba's DR peers who trained with Takeda and Uehsiba had the same skills if not better.
[snip]Sorry Ellis.