Mark Freeman wrote:
Levels 1 and 2 are needed, but the aikido starts at 3 and manifests itself in 4&5
I think we pretty much agree, Mark, although there will probably be some slight cross-perceptions until we meet, etc.
I should have noted a couple of other things, too, BTW:
(A.) In real life there are many times when the waza, as a matter of practicality, is going to be the more likely response (due to either the situation or to Nage's level of expertise). The use of the Ki forces is therefore the penultimate ideal
, but common-sense and reality have to be taken into account.
(B.) Secondly, manipulating Uke's forces so that he throws himself is high-level use of the ki-forces/kokyu/whatever, but this is a good place to point out that the "ki throws" are essentially the same thing, when done correctly. I.e., instead of manipulating Uke's force/attack with jin which combines with his, you make a movement that results in his reactions making his forces take him into a throw. When viewed from that sort of perspective, the "ki throws" suddenly make more sense to a lot of people.