Dave Findlay wrote:
I'm sure I was also introduced to another set at hombu, maybe an 18 or 19... I suspect this was Nariyama shihan just giving us a glimpse of old school. In fact, I'm pretty sure the number of waza grew to greater than 17 at one point because of the addition of the uki-waza to a set like that 15 above.
Nariyama Shihan was talking about this at his recent London seminar. I hadn't heard of the 15 version before, but I have come across the 19. It didn't include any uki waza - it was the same 15 that you list, plus the remaining 2 atemi waza and 2 waki gatame.
The hiji waza from that version are still in the 4th kyu grading syllabus - oshi taoshi, udegaeshi, wakigatame (3 "pushing" hiji waza), then hiki taoshi, udehineri, wakigatame (3 "pulling" hiji waza).
Maybe you could also mail Peter R on this forum. He has a pretty good background with this sort of thing.
Good idea, though I guess Peter must be busy, because there's no way he'd be able to resist posting in this thread if he'd seen it.