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Old 04-27-2006, 05:28 AM   #4
Mark Freeman
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Re: Been There, Done That Attitude

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Mike Sigman wrote:
(from the "Any Instructors here ever been challenged" thread)
No to single you out, Mark, but your comment reminded me of something that I see a lot of. The coordination to do some of the ki tricks is really not that hard. I think most people can be taught to do some of the basic ones in a few minutes, fifteen minutes at most. At least they can do it so that they understand and feel the principles involved. The general principle of the one you're talking about (and of a lot of the ki demo's) is to source the load-bearing responsibility from the ground, whether it's through a chair, a leg, or whatever has the most direct path to the ground.

The problem with that is that a "been there, done that" attitude is easy to develop and so many people who learn to do a few basic tricks never go any further. They still move with their shoulders and not their middles because they often feel like they got the ki part.... but really they just started. The set of skills based on this "coordination" should be practiced until it becomes the instinctive way of movement. Power store-and-release should be based around this new way of movement. And so on. It shouldn't be some supplemental tricks that you can do on the side, in other words... if that's all it is, it's like someone putting on a gi and thinking they've arrived as a martial artist.

Just my 2 cents.

Mike Sigman
Hi Mike,


I don't mind being singled out, it makes me feel that someone is listening

I agree with what you say about the quote above. And although I personally haven't come across the 'been there done that' merchants I'm sure they exist.
my respose to Dan was in direct relation to a challenge could you do this.... etc.
The fact that some of us do ki development exercises every time we step on the mat prompts me to say they are no big deal, they can be done to varying degrees by absolutely anyone.
I also agree that just because you can do some of the 'tricks' in no way makes you able to perform aikido movements from your centre.
This incredibly important aspect of practice takes much much longer to 'get' as I think we have discussed before.
On my way home from training last night I was talking to one of my fellow aikidoka, I said after 14 years I think I'm finally starting to get it, maybe in another 14 I will be able to say that I have got it.
That is how I feel, ki developement on it own is just that, on it's own. For me aikido without ki development is unknown it's not my world. I know it works (but not as we know it Jim).
I'm sure Dan is an honourable chap with some usefull things to teach. Personally I've got a good teacher and until I run out of things to learn from him, I'll happily keep practicing with him.

Cheers

Mark

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