James Kelly wrote:
Terry Dobson Sensei
Ken Nisson Sensei
Paul Kang Sensei
Chris Jordan Sensei
Mark Adachi Sensei
Can't think of a specific time Yamada Sensei or Sugano Sensei said same, but i'd have to ask them.
Which book, paper, interview, etc.
The reason I say to cite the source is that I think for the most part, the topics contingent on slight variations in terms/definitions. I believe once the specific use is recognized, the case will be that we're all in agreement.