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Old 02-28-2006, 04:14 PM   #2
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Re: Desperate to rehabilitate ki

Peter Martin-Browning wrote:
Those who think ki is best mechanical advantage (or BMA, as it is more properly known) might be enlightened by going to learn from a taiji teacher (perhaps asking him to demonstrate uprooting).
And if such a persons opinion that there is nothing mystical about ki (although plenty that is quite remarkable) does not change after such an experience?

I've experienced some interesting things in my life, viritually none of which I would call mystical, although I might use the term mysterious.

It seems like you're walking a very fine line when talking about ki as an actual force vs. best mechanical advantage. What's the difference?

Peter Martin-Browning wrote:
So, to those who think the believers are deluded, let me ask you a question. When you saw, for example, Saito Sensei throw a fourth dan aikidoka without actually raising his hands from his sides, did you think that was done with best mechanical advantage?
No, I think that the aikidoka didn't want to to make their teacher look like bad and/or they were afraid of what would happen to them if they DIDN'T move.

Peter Martin-Browning wrote:
Do you think that Saito Sensei or O Sensei were deluded when they spoke of ki as an actual force?
I haven't paid a lot of attention to Saito Sensei. What I've read of the Founders speech suggest that he speaks with too much alliteration to so easily know whether he spoke of ki as an actual force or not.

This should be an intriguing thread.



Tarik Ghbeish
Jiyūshin-ryū AikiBudō - Iwae Dojo

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