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Old 11-23-2005, 04:14 PM   #8
George S. Ledyard
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Re: Aikido against judo

This is a non-issue! It is good thinking directed in a completely wrong direction.

The demographics would indicate that only about 1% of the population has any interest whatever in doing martial arts. As we all are aware,
90% of those folks will quit before they get anywhere. Very few at all attain any real level of proficiency. So statistically speaking the probability of you needing to defend yourself against another trained martial artist is miniscule. Thes folks aren't out mugging people or starting fights in bar... they're generally in their dojos teaching and training.

Most Thai Boxers would make mince meat of the average Aikidoka in the ring. But last year there was a kick boxer who ran out of his gym to try to keep his car from being stolen. He was shot and killed. Muy Thaiu meets handgun, guess who wins?

If you've ever seen "Surviving Edged Weapons" you would have seen interviews with an array of police officers who survived attacks with edged weapons (the ones who didn't couldn't be interviewed). Not a single one even knew he was being attacked with an edged weapon until after he had been stabbed, usually several times.

The reality of self defense on the street is that most attacks will almost certainly involve weapons and usually there will be multiple attackers. Why in the world do people keep worrying about fighting BJJ, UFC, Muy Thai, Judo, Karate, Kung Fu, Jeet Kun Do, fighters? The average Aikidoka is more likely to have a meteor fall on his car as he drives down the freeway than to have to defend himself against another serious martial arts student.

Serious self defense involves weapons, preferably a firearm, at least an impact weapon or a knife. Ideally it involves training in that weapon for realistic situations. Having a background in a martial art will make ones use of the weapon more competent but don't be the idiot who brings his Aikido to a gun fight. The Japanese figured this out back in the eighteen hundreds when sword masters with thirty years of hard practice were mowed down by a bunch of peasnt conscripts with guns and six months training.

I know that there are folks who live in rough areas... all my cousins live in NYC and everty one of them has been mugged at one time or another. But the average Aikidoka simply isn't living somewhere where the crime rate is such that the need to protect oneself from armed bad guys justifies the increased risk of having a firearm around the house. For most people, having a gun around increases their risk due to the vastly increased liklihood of suicide, domestic violence, accidental shooting of a minor etc. You have to be under serious continual threat to make it worth having a gun handy all the time where it could do you any good in an attack.

Why is that? Because any attack that comes will be a surprise attack. Predators do not give away that they are about to pounce. So whatever you are going to rely on needs to be accessible all the time. So ones martial arts training actually is most functional in the initial stages of a true assault functioning to give one time to access ones weapon. Aikido is actually quite good for this as it involves movement, allows one to evade effectively, offers techniques in case one is grabbed or ones weapon is grabbed. I would much rather have Aikido as a back up for deployment of a weapon than Muy Thai or BJJ. It's what the movements were originally designed for, after all.

If you are worried about real legitimate self defense issues, go down to Colorado and do a weekend with Peyton Quinn at the Rocky Mountain Combat Applications center. He will give you better defense skills in a weekend than you will get doing Aikido or any other martial art for years. It's very real, very earthy and I can guarrenty that you won't be practicing against attacks from Judo trained muggers, Gracie Jiujutsu rapists, Muy Thai home invaders, etc. This is simply not a real concern.

Last edited by George S. Ledyard : 11-23-2005 at 04:18 PM.

George S. Ledyard
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