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Old 09-02-2001, 04:28 AM   #17
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[quote]Originally posted by Scott_in_Kansas
[b] To KAMI: I agree with Walter. There is nothing in the UFC or PRIDE rules that would hinder an aikidoka.

KAMI : As you wish. Go there and try...

Originally posted by Scott_in_Kansas
Also, do you think that the aikido art is so WEAK that we couldn't stand up to a BJJ artist or a steroid pumping wrestler?
KAMI : No, I don't. Where did you read that?
I said that for specific conditions, you must have specific training. As in judo, if you go participate in judo contest with rules...

Originally posted by Scott_in_Kansas
O' Sensei didn't seem to have any problem against much larger opponents. Would O'Sensei have gotten his butt kicked at a UFC style "demonstration"?

KAMI : There's no account of O-Sensei participating in a free-for-all with other fighters. There are a lot of stories about "demonstrations", generally with people being surprised by O-Sensei's techniques, little known in those days. And about your question concerning O-Sensei being "butt kicked", if he didn't prepare specifically for that, yes. Perhaps that's why he wisely never did it.As Jigoro Kano, Gichin Funakoshi and many other masters

Originally posted by Scott_in_Kansas
And speaking of demonstrations, I've seen video of Aikido masters holding "open" demonstrations where they get non-aikido practioners to attack (OR ATTEMPT TO ATTACK) them. Wouldn't the UFC be considered just another demonstration to an aikido master?

KAMI : Demonstrations and competitions are two different things.As you said, "ATTEMPT TO ATTACK..." An UFC or NHB can't be considered "demonstration" for an aikido master. Also, what do you mean by a master? An old practitioner, full of wisdom and perfect technique? or a young competitive athlete, full of stamina and resistence, competing BY HIS RULES and so unafraid of dying or even serious crippling? You see, the nemesis of martial ARTISTS is that they can't use all their skill in a NHB competition. You can't go to a judo competition and use strikes, punches and kicks (you'd be punished and lose the fight); you can't go to a karate competition and use throws, grappling or ne waza (you'd be punished and lose the fight); and so on, and so on... "No Holds barred" competition and Ultimate Fighting Championships aren't so "no holds barred" as you think. They have their own set of rules and that's that. Another thing should be remembered : physical conditioning. Aikidoka, GENERALLY, are poorly conditioned and have no stamina for a prolonged competition. Boxers, judoka, NHB and UFC fighters ARE. In their training, aikidoka defend themselves against very poor punches, kicks and strikes with weapons. Try to defend yourselves against good p/k men or against a weapon brandished by specialists (Kendoka, Kenjutsuka or Eskrimadores). Their speciality...

Originally posted by Scott_in_Kansas
I'm not trying to be facetious here, just curious why there is such a willingness to "prove the art." Such demonstrations where common in the martial arts 20-30 years ago.
KAMI : I guess you were meaning "why there isn't such a willingness". In that case, I believe it is because of the reasons I stressed. There's no problem with any aikidoka that wishes to participate in an UFC (there may be problems with their aikido organizations, but there's no rule in Aikido forbidding that. Even the famous quote from O-Sensei :"There's no competition in Aikido" has been explained uncorrectly translated at this very List). And if you think there's no need for any special preparation, you're in for a surprise...Please, do go! Even in the case of competitive Aikido, there may be good conditioning but still the rules and prohibitions are very different and you should prepare intensively for that.

Originally posted by Scott_in_Kansas
Keep the comments coming guys. This thread is getting interesting.
Scott in Kansas
KAMI : I believe they will.
Best regards

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