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Old 08-12-2005, 10:48 PM   #32
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Re: "Traditional budo" and "Fighting art"

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Roy Leclair wrote:
I hope I'm not to off skew here, but IMHO,

I think kata is needed, not only to learn the basic technique, but to also add an element of mental calmness, and or compassion, to balance the negative mental state associated with learning how do do harm to others. And of course it adds to the safety; because, I don't want to cooperate fully with some guy I don't really know, and who wants to practice randori hard for battle readiness, do you? If Aikido were practiced like that it would not be 1/1000 the popularity it is enjoying today. I do agree of course, like many of you that it takes a long time to be combat-sh ready in Aikido, and many lower ranks doing 98% kata training are kidding themselves if they think they are ready to take on bigger or multiple attackers like Ueshiba, or Kondo, or even a 3rd dan etc... So whats my point here? hell I don't know, but how else do you learn the moves of Aikido without both the basics, and safety net you get from kata?

Ron,
"It seems we have a disconnect somewhere...I'll let it go at that."

Hey, cheers, no probs, but I would have proffered if you simply elaborated on what you meant, for I don't feel I responded to your post that absurdly.
Hello Roy, not aiming at you personally but just using your post as an example...

This debate of kata vs live training seems to go round and round the bush to me. Live training and kata are like the mind and body... they are interdependent and are not mutually exclusive. Kata sharpens the live training and live training gives meaning to kata.

After having do aikido close to a decade in various dojo or various school, I realize that in randori/jiyu waza, I can shove, push, punch or generally rough up my ukes around but then I do not think that is budo... more like plain brawling, it is ugly and of improper conduct. Proper technical execution on the technique other hand gives me much more satisfaction mentally.

I don't know if this qualify as a rant... today is Saturday and I have to get up early to work the morning shift...

So sorry guys.

Boon.

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