Ted Ehara wrote:
I do agree that these ki demonstrations and ki testing have to be practiced. You can't give someone a ki test cold and expect them to pass. I think that was one of the reasons why the zen priests didn't pass Tohei's ki testing.
Ah. Remember that in some of my posts a couple of months ago I said that although they are sort of intertwined, kokyu can be separable as a topic from ki? I have seen some really powerful qigong experts that couldn't do the ki tests of show any real jin/kokyu. Of course, I don't know why "zen priests" would be expected to be particularly proficient at ki things, but I wouldn't assume that they could demonstrate kokyu. (I *vaguely* remember seeing a picture of Tohei with some "zen priests" but I forget the story, if you'll remind me or point me to it). What I said was that if an Aikido practitioner is claiming to be proficient at kokyunage, that means they can manifest kokyu, which means they should be able to do "ki tests".