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Old 06-08-2005, 10:50 PM   #81
Red Beetle
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Re: Aikido minus mysticism: a step forward

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Look at the name of the art: Aikido. Whether or not ki exists, O Sensei certainly believed in it, and it's right there in the name of the art.
A rose by any other name is still the same.
We can keep all the techniques of Aikido, but call it something else.



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Except that the martial artist who did that would be guilty of being grossly disrepectuful to the founder, and failing to to his job of preserving and passing on what was passed to him.
So what.


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My Kali teacher, who also has permission to teach Pentjak Silat Serak
This is the United States of America. I don't have to have permission from any punk to teach Judo, Jiu-jitsu, or Pentjak Silat. If I learn something, and I want to teach it, then have at it. This is the beauty of a free market. The U.S. Constitution is all the permission I need. I say this, because I know all to well about how some of these oriental socialists think. You don't need permission to teach martial arts. Thank God the Gracies didn't listen to those stupid oriental traditions when they decided to break from the traditional nonsense to establish a more practical system.


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Martial arts is not just about teaching someone a skill -- it is about passing on part of a culture
You can use part of your class time to explain how Japanese people eat, sleep, and worship, and if your students are dumb enough to not object, then who cares. But if a person comes to you and pays you to learn how to defend himself, and you show him how to eat with chop-sticks, then I would say that you are in breach of contract.


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that's why their terminology is in Cantonese. It may even be true of Western Boxing -- you just don't notice the culture becaue we're in it.
It makes no difference if you call the 6th throw of the Judo by the following names: O-goshi, Hip Toss, Big Hip Throw, or The Red Beetle Special.
A rose by any other name is still the same.
I don't need to know Japanese culture to be able to hip toss a guy.
The Greeks were hip-tossing people long before the Japanese had Judo (see the Illiad circa 9th century b.c.).




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And if the "mystical nonsense" is an important part of what O Sensei wants passed down, then you'd damn well better pass it down, or you are not doing your job as an Aikido student/teacher.
If your math teacher decides that you should add 5+5 to get 12, will you keep practicing this, and teaching it to others? What if it is wrong to add 5 and 5 to get 12? Should we dare go against our teacher and add 5 and 5 to get 10? Will teacher get mad at us for doing math correctly, rather than the way he wants us to?
If O-sensei was wrong, then he should be corrected.
It would be stupid to take his word for it just because he was taught by this guy, and that guy, or because he is the founder of this system, ot that system.


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If you want to learn how to fight, don't go to anyone for formal training in anything. Just move to a bad neighborhood and get in fights every day.
Now apply your reasoning to driver education.
If you don't know how to drive, but you want to learn how, then don't go to someone to teach you how.....just get into a car and pull out into traffic. You will learn how from experience...if you don't kill yourself or others. This is not a good idea for learning how to drive, and it is not a good idea to learn how to fight.

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