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jvdz 07-02-2001 01:35 PM

Calligraphy
 
Hi all,

My sensei has just returned from Japan and got me a calligraphy as a present.
But the people at the store didn't knew what it meant, not exactly that is.

The calligraphy reads "Mu Yo Dju".
Does anyone know what it means?

guest1234 07-02-2001 02:09 PM

Uh, I hate to state the obvious, but perhaps you could ask your sensei? He must know you don't read Japanese, and perhaps there is a special meaning he meant for you.

guest1234 07-02-2001 02:12 PM

oh, I'm sorry, I may have misunderstood. Do you mean the people at the store who sold it to your sensei didn't know the meaning? That would be a real mystery!

jvdz 07-03-2001 11:52 AM

IT IS A MYSTERY
 
Quote:

Originally posted by ca
oh, I'm sorry, I may have misunderstood. Do you mean the people at the store who sold it to your sensei didn't know the meaning? That would be a real mystery!
They could translate it partially... by that I mean just the words. But I guess the combination of the words isn't so easily translated.

My sensei only knows enough japanese to get him around (hands & feet :) plus a few necessary words) so he doesn't know it either.

Anyway, the reason why I posted here is that I wanted to know what it meant a.s.a.p.
I got an aikido summercamp coming up at the end of the month so I could ask another sensei
there, but I would like to know the meaning sooner than that.

guest1234 07-03-2001 12:35 PM

The main places I get things translated are sushi bars, but if there is a local university Japanese Language department that might be a place to ask. All our Japanese speaking folks seem to be silent at the moment.

jimbo 07-03-2001 01:05 PM

Re: Calligraphy
 
Quote:

Originally posted by jvdz
Hi all,

My sensei has just returned from Japan and got me a calligraphy as a present.
But the people at the store didn't knew what it meant, not exactly that is.

The calligraphy reads "Mu Yo Dju".
Does anyone know what it means?

I know enough Japanese to guess that it's going to be difficult to guess the meaning without seeing the calligraphy. Why? Well, the sound Mu can be represented by more than one character, each with a separate meaning. Moreover, often the sayings of calligraphy are in rather old Japanese. Can you provide more information? For example, how do you know that the characters represent the sounds Mu Yo and Dju?

Also, that third sound "Dju" doesn't seem natural to Japanese language. It seems odd. With more information, I'm sure that someone can provide you a translation.

--jimbo

jvdz 07-05-2001 09:58 AM

Well I asked sensei again and he didn't ask the translation in the store but at a restaurant. The people he asked there could read it but couldn't provide an english translation for it. So they said to him: "mu yo dju", and he wrote that down.
They said the calligraphy had something to do with happiness, but that isn't the excact translation.
Maybe dju should be ju, for the sake of the Japanese language?

mj 07-05-2001 01:42 PM

Phone the Japanese embassy, arrange to fax them it (or whatever)...
It's worked for me :D
If anyone from the Japanese Embassy in Scotland reads this... thanks again!

Jim23 07-05-2001 02:25 PM

How about scanning it (or even trying to copy it) and emailing it to Jun.

Jim23

mj 07-05-2001 04:12 PM

Oops, sorry Jun... shoulda thought... sorry

akiy 07-05-2001 04:48 PM

Wel, if you can scan it in either GIF, JPG, PNG, or BMP format and keep it under 102,400 bytes, you can put attach the file to your message using the "attach file" feature of this Forum... Then, the calligraphy will be there for everyone to see, enjoy, and try to figure out!

-- Jun

mj 07-05-2001 05:34 PM

Is there a prize? ;)

Jim23 07-05-2001 10:10 PM

Well for those in the (don't)know, GIF means Graphic Interchange Format (also known as a lossless format, because little detail is sacrified in the compression process), JPEG stands for Joint Photographic Experts Group (often used for photographs and sacrifices a little more detail). BMP stands for Bitmap. TIFF is short for Tag Image File Format (oh ... Jun didn't mentioned that one). PNG ... forgot that one.

The real question is how the "founder" pronounced "GIF" ... we won't go there.;)

Jim23

jvdz 07-11-2001 01:07 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by akiy
Wel, if you can scan it in either GIF, JPG, PNG, or BMP format and keep it under 102,400 bytes, you can put attach the file to your message using the "attach file" feature of this Forum... Then, the calligraphy will be there for everyone to see, enjoy, and try to figure out!

Well I'm trying to attach a scanned version of the calligraphy but I can't find a "(Browse) button at the bottom of the composition page".
Jun, can you help me out here?

akiy 07-11-2001 04:08 PM

The "Browse" button should be a couple of rows below the text area for composing your message in when you submit a reply to a thread. It'll be labeled "Attach file:" on the left side and will be right above the "Submit Reply" and "Preview Reply" buttons.

-- Jun


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