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Tommy_S 06-27-2005 04:30 PM

Lack of progress?
 
I don't know if this was discussed before.... :confused:

I have a problem. I've been training (Ki) Aikido since 1999. but lately I'm beginning to have this strange feeling of lack of progress. Whats even worse, I have the feeling that the longer I'm training I'm making more and more mistakes when performing techniques (all of them).... And I also have this strange urge to perform techniques faster and with more power than necessary, so after a few turns my techniques become very... messy, uncoordinated (?) (sorry I can't find the right expression to describe it), like I'm not focused enough on the technique and training partner.... And even my sensei told me that sometimes I do beginners mistakes.

Of course, I'm doing my best trying to correct these mistakes, but still I have the same feeling (no progress).

Did anyone had any similar experiences? ... And some advice would be appreciated...

Tommy

P.S. I apologize for my bad English... :(

aikidoc 06-27-2005 04:42 PM

Re: Lack of progress?
 
Generally, in my experience, I find it useful to go back and work on basics: tai sabaki, ashi sabaki and te sabaki. We all have plateaus and the harder we try the more we struggle. As Yoda says, try no-do. Sorry couldn't resist. When you focus on the elements of the technique and restrengthen your basis then the techniques we get back to normal. Overtime, we sometimes get sloppy.

Janet Rosen 06-27-2005 05:15 PM

Re: Lack of progress?
 
It sounds like you are on a plateau; it is very common, and usually signifies an impending improvement/breakthrough. And about the only thing to do is keep slogging through it and not let it get to you. Bow in with a smile and no expectations and accept what happens. Maybe in your case, be willing to move slowly and not "go for throws" but for letting the feeling of good posture, breathing, and position be your focus.
Don't give up! It won't stay this way forever.

mj 06-27-2005 05:30 PM

Re: Lack of progress?
 
If you've been in the same club for 6 years you should go to some others too.

Brehan Crawford 06-27-2005 05:48 PM

Re: Lack of progress?
 
Quote:

Bow in with a smile and no expectations and accept what happens.
I like this advice. A while ago I read this book and one of the key things that stuck with me was Cheng's piece of advice to his students to "invest in loss" when practicing with partners. In the case of the book it was push hands but you can apply it to anything.

When I'm having a tough time in practice, not being able to hold my center or make anything work, I try to stop trying to make it work and just do as little as possible. Let the technique spring up spontaneously from the energy I'm getting from my partner and not care whether or not it actually succeeds or makes them do fancy ukemi. Keeps me humble and keeps me from getting frustrated.

Amir Krause 06-28-2005 07:22 AM

Re: Lack of progress?
 
Sounds to me like you are on the verge of further progress. Normally, once I "discover" some "new" concept or understanding and try to tune my body to it, I find all I am doing seems to go wrong for some time period.
If you press on training at this time, it is likely you will re-connect all the dots and get much better.

Amir

DevinHammer 06-29-2005 12:58 AM

Re: Lack of progress?
 
Sounds to me like you've answered most of your own questions. Follow your own advice - slow down, be precise, focus on the basics, search for the path of least resistance, do your technique without physical strength. Contrary to one thing you said, DO NOT focus on your training partner (just stay connected) - focus on yourself. Maybe you're training too often, or maybe you're not training often enough. Maybe you just need to shake things up a little - go to a seminar. Everyone has had excellent comments for you here - try them all! We all have good days and bad days, but we learn the most on the bad days. (we just don't realize it until we have our next good day)

Gambatte!

Christy S 06-29-2005 05:33 PM

Re: Lack of progress?
 
All the advice above is excellent and I suggest you take. But also remember that those who are just beginning training are totally unaware of the numerous mistakes they are making. No matter what level you are, as you improve and go higher up the more you will realize your mistakes, even the simplest. This is improvement to be able to see your mistakes, gives you the ability to correct them and become better. I have have gone through the very same frustrations and just embrace the fact you see them and continue to correct yourself. A good friend of mine once said that, "I might do a technique perfect one in a thousand times, but I'm working on making it one in 999". One step at a time, good luck.

BenDuckett 06-30-2005 12:13 AM

Re: Lack of progress?
 
The questions I keep asking myself are:
how long before I am no longer a beginner and I'm just rubbish at Aikido?
How will I know when to make that decision.?
I have my first grading on saturday and I'm trying to pretend that I'm ready for it!
Is there a record for the longest time to reach Shodan?!
Kind regards to all of those who put up with newbies like me,
Ben

bbleeker 06-30-2005 07:00 AM

Re: Lack of progress?
 
Quote:

Ben Duckett wrote:
The questions I keep asking myself are:
how long before I am no longer a beginner and I'm just rubbish at Aikido?

Hasn't happened to me yet, so it must be after shodan, at the earliest.

Quote:

Ben Duckett wrote:
Is there a record for the longest time to reach Shodan?!

Dunno; I started over 10 years ago, and I'm still an ikkyu, but I don't know if that's a record.

Lots of succes with your grading!

Janet Rosen 06-30-2005 12:55 PM

Re: Lack of progress?
 
Quote:

Berna Bleeker wrote:
Dunno; I started over 10 years ago, and I'm still an ikkyu, but I don't know if that's a record. !

heheheh. I'm at 9 1/2 yrs and still nikkyu!

Tommy_S 07-01-2005 06:59 PM

Re: Lack of progress?
 
Quote:

Janet Rosen wrote:
It sounds like you are on a plateau; it is very common, and usually signifies an impending improvement/breakthrough

That's exactly what a colleague of mine told me... :confused:
Quote:

Mark Johnston wrote:
If you've been in the same club for 6 years you should go to some others too.

Hmm.... In my area there's only one other Ki Society Aikido club, and all the other clubs teach different styles (so I'd lose my rank and have to go through everything again). And I don't think going to another club would solve my problem..... :(

Anyway, thank you all for your advices and encouragement. I'll see what will happen after the summer break....

pezalinski 07-27-2005 05:08 PM

Re: Lack of progress?
 
I would say that a newly acquired perception of a lack of progress is actually an indication of progress -- you know now that you don't know what you don't know, ya know?
:D


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