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A D 12-04-2004 09:15 AM

Questions before testing.
 
Hello,

I took my first Jujitsu test back in August and now it's time for my Aikido test.

I'm still a little confused on the order of things on Happo-No-Undo.

In our dojo we start on our right foot.

From there I:

1) One step up, on right foot. ^
2) Pivot, one step opposite on left.
3) Now, is it one step to the left < or right >?
4) Then we do corners in what directions first?

Then we must start on left side and do the same. I can't do left if I can't do right! ;)

And as for Sumi-Hanmi-Waza.

We start on right foot.

Tenkan. Scoop. Tenkan back and block face, step in with back leg (?) and strike. We must do this five times on each side (left and right).

Now probably my main issue. We must do Shomenuchi Ikkyu (both Omote and Ura) as well as Katatetori Shionage Omote and Ura.

I get confused on the terms Omote and Ura. If you can, step by step explain or give me an easy to remember hint, it'd make it easier for me!

If you all can enlighten me on my issues It'd be greatly appreciated! :)

Thanks!

Alex

bcole23 12-04-2004 01:40 PM

Re: Questions before testing.
 
omote = in front of
ura = behind

Ummm, easy way to remember...
ura has the same number of letters as a$$.

uh..
gee, I don't know. I speak a bit, not much mind you, of japanese so the names are not that hard.

kata te dori ikkyou omote
same side hand grab technique one in front

Doesn't sound quite so mystic like that though.

The other stuff, I'll let someone else answer.

batemanb 12-05-2004 02:11 AM

Re: Questions before testing.
 
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Alex de la Paz wrote:
I'm still a little confused on the order of things on Happo-No-Undo.

In our dojo we start on our right foot.

From there I:

1) One step up, on right foot. ^
2) Pivot, one step opposite on left.
3) Now, is it one step to the left < or right >?
4) Then we do corners in what directions first?

Then we must start on left side and do the same. I can't do left if I can't do right! ;)

Hi Alex,

Spent a lot of time doing this in Japan, always turn to the open side, towards the back foot, i.e. if the right foot is forward you pivot to the left and move the left foot. If your left foot is forward you pivot right and move the right foot.

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Alex de la Paz wrote:
And as for Sumi-Hanmi-Waza.

We start on right foot.

Tenkan. Scoop. Tenkan back and block face, step in with back leg (?) and strike. We must do this five times on each side (left and right).

I don't recognize this term (sumi-hanmi-waza), your description sounds a bit like tai no henka with a tenchinage on the end but that's just my interpretation of your description.

Quote:

Alex de la Paz wrote:
Now probably my main issue. We must do Shomenuchi Ikkyu (both Omote and Ura) as well as Katatetori Shionage Omote and Ura.

I get confused on the terms Omote and Ura. If you can, step by step explain or give me an easy to remember hint, it'd make it easier for me!

Basically, Omote is front, Ura is behind. Omote techniques involve you moving across uke, Ura techniques usually (although not always ;)) start with a tenkan movement around the outside, moving behind.

Shomen uchi ikkyo omote. Lead with your front foot as you enter, as you enter you rotate uke's arm forwards and keep walking straight through. Ura, you still enter with your front foot but then step behind (outside) with your back foot and then pivot. Keep turning and uke will spin around you to the floor.

Katate dori Shihonage, depends on whether you are going Ai hanmi or Gyaku hanmi as to which foot (front or back) you move first, but basically the omote version again involves stepping across uke with the first move, Ura will involve tenkan movement around the outside. Think of your happo undo/ happo giri footwork for Shihonage, i.e you will still always move or pivot to the open side.

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Alex de la Paz wrote:
If you all can enlighten me on my issues It'd be greatly appreciated! :)

Thanks!

Alex

I hope the above is of use, it is very basic, it's not easy to convey everything in words on a message board. You will be best asking your Sensei or one of your seniors to run through it with you during keiko.


Regards

Bryan

A D 12-05-2004 11:49 AM

Re: Questions before testing.
 
Thanks a lot.

You both helped a lot.

I studied today with one of my senseis and I pretty much got it, all I have to do is dance around for a little more and I'll have it all.

Thanks.

rachel 12-06-2004 07:59 AM

Re: Questions before testing.
 
Quote:

I get confused on the terms Omote and Ura.
The others are right about the meanings of the words omote and ura (front and back, respectively.) I personally think of them as straight (omote) and turning (ura) This isn't what the words mean, but its generally a bit clearer in my mind.

When you do shomenuchi ikkyo omtoe, you walk straight. For ura, you step in and then "turn". See? Okay, maybe that only works for me... Sorry...

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I'm still a little confused on the order of things on Happo-No-Undo.
*The way I was taught* Step right, pivot to the open side, step left. Repeat.
Reverse the directions for a left footed start.

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And as for Sumi-Hanmi-Waza.
Sorry, I'm also not familiar with this term.

For everything, you're best off asking Sensei or a sempai student, they'll know what's correct in your dojo. Good luck on the test, sorry I couldn't be more help.

A D 12-06-2004 06:49 PM

Re: Questions before testing.
 
I took the test and I feel that I got everything right. Did awful on randori though, just relax they say!

I'll see if I passed or not on Wednesday.


Thank you,

-Alex

senseimike 12-07-2004 08:12 AM

Re: Questions before testing.
 
Omote usually involves walking in front of the uke, so to remember it Open the door and walk thru...
Ura you turn and go around the uke......... Ura and around sound simular enough to remember......

It works for my students, maybe it'll work for you.


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