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AikiWeb System 11-21-2004 12:30 AM

Poll: Do you think Morihei Ueshiba intended aikido for everyone?
 
AikiWeb Poll for the week of November 21, 2004:

Do you think Morihei Ueshiba intended aikido for everyone?
  • I don't do aikido
  • Yes
  • No
Here are the current results.

SeiserL 11-21-2004 10:12 AM

Re: Poll: Do you think Morihei Ueshiba intended aikido for everyone?
 
Everyone but hoodlums.

MM45 11-21-2004 10:34 AM

Re: Poll: Do you think Morihei Ueshiba intended aikido for everyone?
 
Yes, and with great respect, even the hoodlums, so that they may see the error of there ways and become better human beings.

Don_Modesto 11-21-2004 12:21 PM

Re: Poll: Do you think Morihei Ueshiba intended aikido for everyone?
 
I believe he reconciled himself to aikido for everyone. Before his son dumped these entrance requirements, the founder demanded prospective students be expert in another martial art and have two personal letters of reference from high placed people with whom the founder had a relationship.

Mark Uttech 11-21-2004 01:44 PM

Re: Poll: Do you think Morihei Ueshiba intended aikido for everyone?
 
[b]I think the old man, OSensei, was a bit of a stiff (conservative), but his son Kisshomaru, threw wide the floodgates. Now Aikido has a real chance to become something.

Angeles 11-21-2004 06:03 PM

Re: Poll: Do you think Morihei Ueshiba intended aikido for everyone?
 
Morihei Ueshiba was the first one to answer YES to this question.
After he die

roninja 11-22-2004 09:09 AM

Re: Poll: Do you think Morihei Ueshiba intended aikido for everyone?
 
hmmm... I don't know if any of you have seen the Ueshiba and Aikido videos... or at least I think that's what they are called, I would have to travel to the fourth floor to find them, and I don't really feel like getting up to check a name right now. Anyway, Ueshiba states in these movies that Aikido is for the whole world. I'm not saying that this refutes or re-enforces anyone's statements. Just interesting I think.

CNYMike 11-25-2004 04:21 PM

Re: Poll: Do you think Morihei Ueshiba intended aikido for everyone?
 
Having said that between my original training in Aikido in the '80s and the last 8 months at Finger Lakes Aikido, I know a heck of a lot less than most people here, I have these two print sources:

Quote:

In 1942, the name "Aikido" was formally adopted for Morihei's art, and his son Kisshomaru was appointed head instructor of the Tokyo dojo. Morihei told Kisshomaru, "I will leave it up to you to promote Aikido in society; I want to devote the rest of my life to further training."
--Ueshiba, Moriteru, THE AIKIDO MASTER COURSE -- BEST AIKIDO 2, Kodansha International Ltd 2003, p. 205.

So while Kisshomaru may have "opened the flood gates," his father had told him to "promote" Aikido. If O Sensei thought his son had gone too far, it isn't in any print source I've found yet.

Quote:

On April 15 (1969), Morihei (Ueshiba's) condition became critical; as his many disciples and friends made their final calls, he gave his last instructions: "Aikido is for the entire world. Train not for selfish reasons, but for all people everywhere."
-- Stevens, John, Under the Direction of Shirata Rinjiro, AIKIDO: THE WAY OF HARMONY, Shamballa Pulbications, 1984, p. 13

Again, if he meant for Aikido to be restricted or under wraps, he may have changed his mind just as he was dying. But everything I've read on Aikido bcks up the view that after World War 2, O Sensei wanted Aikido spread, not restircted.

So I voted "Yes."

CNYMike 11-25-2004 04:31 PM

Re: Poll: Do you think Morihei Ueshiba intended aikido for everyone?
 
Quote:

Mark Uttech wrote:
[b]I think the old man, OSensei, was a bit of a stiff (conservative), but his son Kisshomaru, threw wide the floodgates. Now Aikido has a real chance to become something.

Y'think? I mean, the best guestimate is that there are only a trifling 1.5 million Aikidoka worldwide. Think it's got a chance to spread?

:rolleyes:

In contrast, the Indonesian art of Pentjak Silat Serak was kept totally secret until relatively recently; Maha Guru Victor de Thouars had to break with members of his own family to teach it publicly, and AFAIK, those wounds have never healed. And even with all he's done since 1994 to promote Serak, with his web site, books, DVDs, distance learning programs, web cam classes, seminars, and nurturing groups like the one I'm in, the number of individual who have the whole system can be counted without running out of fingers (plus a toe or two), and they're all old men in their 60s or 70s. Pembantu Andy Astle, whom Pak Vic has allowed to teach Serak, once called it a "dying art."

Aikido has 1.5 million adherants worldwide.

Gee, y' think Aikido can finally become something!?

Ugh. :rolleyes:


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