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sharonbader 11-15-2004 04:46 PM

Examples of Henka Waza
 
I'm compiling a list of different Henka Waza Techniques ( Henka waza being changing from one technique to another )

So far I have:

(based on whatever attack)

Start technique -> Finish technique

Ikkyo -> Shionage
Shionage -> Iriminage
Kotegeishi -> Sanko
Nikkyo -> Kokyu ho

easy on the "ikkyo -> whatever" since most techniques start with ikkyo anyway.

Others?

Thanks!

akiy 11-15-2004 04:57 PM

Re: Examples of Henka Waza
 
Hmm... I'd say that any technique can morph into another technique dependinging on how uke and, of course, nage, is moving and also when the henka happens...

-- Jun

Janet Rosen 11-15-2004 05:27 PM

Re: Examples of Henka Waza
 
Jun beat me to it!

Don_Modesto 11-15-2004 06:51 PM

Re: Examples of Henka Waza
 
Quote:

Jun Akiyama wrote:
Hmm... I'd say that any technique can morph into another technique dependinging on how uke and, of course, nage, is moving and also when the henka happens...Jun

Live thread -> Dead thread

aikidoc 11-15-2004 07:40 PM

Re: Examples of Henka Waza
 
shihonage to kotegaeshi
sankyo to kokyunage
ikkyo to: irminage, kokyunage, kaitennage, kotegaeshi, etc. etc.

With good basics, you should be able to do henka waza without about any technique into about any technique-you may have to think a little but it can be done.

BC 11-18-2004 01:09 PM

Re: Examples of Henka Waza
 
One favorite: kotegaeshi > koshinage

Nick P. 11-18-2004 01:49 PM

Re: Examples of Henka Waza
 
iriminage > sankyo

siwilson 11-18-2004 04:29 PM

Re: Examples of Henka Waza
 
Quote:

Sharon Bader wrote:
Henka waza being changing from one technique to another

Can I correct you? "Henka Waza" actually means "Varitation Technique!"

Anything that is a different way to your Kihon Waza (basic techinique) of executing a technique is Henka Waza, so if you want to learn some Henka Waza go and find different wys of doing the techniques - train with different people and different schools and see how they do it!!!!!!

There are lots of ideas out there and a lot to learn!

akiy 11-18-2004 04:54 PM

Re: Examples of Henka Waza
 
Quote:

Si Wilson wrote:
Can I correct you? "Henka Waza" actually means "Varitation Technique!"

"Henka" for me means "changing from one state to another." In an aikido context, I would personally use it to mean "changing fron one technique to another" which usually (although not always) means not staying within the same technique.

One term I've heard to indicate that a technique is not the basic, "kihonwaza" way of doing that particular technique is "oyo waza" ("applied technique").

-- Jun

siwilson 11-18-2004 05:15 PM

Re: Examples of Henka Waza
 
Hi Jun

I am not going to argue with a Japanese speaker, but "Henka" does mean change or variation, does it not?

I am not saying that changing technique to another is not Henka Waza, but that it is not a definition of "Henka Waza" as far as I have come across. IE: One aspect, not all of it! Henka Waza is a variation from Kihon Waza!

akiy 11-18-2004 05:18 PM

Re: Examples of Henka Waza
 
Hi Si,

You'll find my definition of "henka" in my previous post.

Yes, I would say that "henka waza" is a variation from "kihon waza," but I personally wouldn't use that term to describe non-kihon waza techniques as being such. In other words, when I personally hear that term, the definition of "a technique that is not kihon" doesn't come to my mind...

Hope that helps,

-- Jun

siwilson 11-18-2004 05:56 PM

Re: Examples of Henka Waza
 
Hi Jun

As I say, it is not a limied term - Change Techinque or Variation Technique!!! I like the latter, as it is the definition that I have always known, but I understand the other.

The one thing that I think Aikidoka should always keep in their minds is "Different Strokes!!!!"

:-)

sharonbader 11-22-2004 12:12 PM

Re: Examples of Henka Waza
 
Quote:

Si Wilson wrote:
Can I correct you? "Henka Waza" actually means "Varitation Technique!"
!

You would actually be correcting Kawahara Shihan in that case.

The way he explained Henka waza ( at least this year anyway) was that Tori would start one technique get "stuck" this would provide the 'energy' or 'opening' to change into another technique.

Which is really making me think of the Kotegeishi -> Koshinage. Must be the wicked breaking elbow variation.

Or tenkan and move into it like how we whould do a sankyo koshinage. hmmm cool.

siwilson 11-22-2004 02:26 PM

Re: Examples of Henka Waza
 
Quote:

Sharon Bader wrote:
You would actually be correcting Kawahara Shihan in that case.

The way he explained Henka waza ( at least this year anyway) was that Tori would start one technique get "stuck" this would provide the 'energy' or 'opening' to change into another technique.

Which is really making me think of the Kotegeishi -> Koshinage. Must be the wicked breaking elbow variation.

Or tenkan and move into it like how we whould do a sankyo koshinage. hmmm cool.

Changing from one technique to another like you explain is Henka Waza, but Henka Waza is not changing from one technique to another like you explain.

Just as 1 and 2 are numbers, but numbers are not 1 and 2.

:ai:

markwalsh 11-22-2004 03:15 PM

Re: Examples of Henka Waza
 
There are some classic examples in one of the later volumes of Morihiro Saito Sensei's original Aikido books if you get hold of them.

Personally I can change any technique into a utter debacle almost seamlessly.

Mark
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