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AikiWeb System 10-24-2004 12:30 AM

Poll: How important has experiencing other martial arts been for you in understanding aikido more deeply?
 
AikiWeb Poll for the week of October 24, 2004:

How important has experiencing other martial arts been for you in understanding aikido more deeply?
  • I don't do aikido
  • Critically important
  • Very important
  • Somewhat important
  • Not very important
  • Not at all important
  • I have not done any other martial art
Here are the current results.

James Giles 10-24-2004 03:32 AM

Re: Poll: How important has experiencing other martial arts been for you in understanding aikido more deeply?
 
I selected the "not very important" answer. I am finding that in order for me to approach learning and understanding Aikido, I have to put previous martial arts experience on a back burner. Where other martial arts rely more on sight, aikido seems to rely more on the sense of touch and feeling.

Also, the more I train, the more I realize that Aikido is all about sustaining life and giving uke a second chance. It is about forgiveness and understanding and letting uke learn from his/her mistakes without killing or causing great injury to him/her.

I suppose taking other martial arts in the past has helped me some with my balance, confidence, etc., but it really doesn't help me to understand aikido.

SeiserL 10-24-2004 11:59 AM

Re: Poll: How important has experiencing other martial arts been for you in understanding aikido more deeply?
 
IMHO, my past training has helped me tremendously to understand the application of Aikido.

OTOH, my past training has been something that keeps getting in my way, especially because I've never stopped cross training.

Bridge 10-25-2004 03:03 AM

Re: Poll: How important has experiencing other martial arts been for you in understanding aikido more deeply?
 
The only benefits I've noticed have been purely on body conditioning and awareness. Hardly any effects on understanding as such.

The reverse is far more true.

I find aikido has helped me understand some of the karate that made no sense previously. Especially the techniques that looked like they would need lots of strength to pull off.

Dazzler 10-25-2004 06:32 AM

Re: Poll: How important has experiencing other martial arts been for you in understanding aikido more deeply?
 
I started Goshin Jujutsu practice just after gaining my nidan rank.

This was very much a modern style with an emphasis on effectiveness in combat. Over the years it moved more and more towards the mixed martial arts way of practice encompassing boxing, grappling and vale tude.

For me it helped unlock the potential of my aikido. I could see where the 'exercises' could be taken to make them effective in a situation and answered so many of the 'what if question' that exist regarding the so called in-effectiveness of aikido strikes and techniques.

The result of this was that I could practice Aikido without continually trying to force the exercises into a martial mould and instead focus on the higher level practice of aikido principles and bases.

I'm not sure I could have made this breakthrough with aikido alone.

L. Camejo 10-25-2004 09:23 AM

Re: Poll: How important has experiencing other martial arts been for you in understanding aikido more deeply?
 
Practicing in other styles benefitted my Aikido in a variety of ways. The reverse is also true.

Judo and BJJ training helped me to gain deeper understanding of kuzushi principles, body mechanics principles for kansetsu and shime waza and how to apply the aikido principles of body movement while on the ground (still working on that last one:)).

Training in Chinese and Korean arts (JKD, Wing Chun, Tajiquan, ITF TKD), I got a different appreciation of application of ma ai in my Aikido and was able to explore a variety of aspects that would affect atemi waza principles, especially in the area of targeting, Jin and hand/foot positions, shapes and angles.

Other Jujutsu training such as Daito Ryu and Akayama Ryu reminds me of martial applications of very simple and basic movements found in Aikido that may appear harmless at first.:)

Non-martial training in Qigong has really helped in the energy and mind focus department, bringing the other principles together quite nicely without confusion so far.

Just my few cents. I'll always be a proponent of cross training. I believe its good to see oneself from within and without to get a comprehensive perspective of things, same goes for MA.

BTW I voted "Very Important".
LC:ai::ki:

suren 10-25-2004 11:23 AM

Re: Poll: How important has experiencing other martial arts been for you in understanding aikido more deeply?
 
I'm glad my first karate teached approached his teaching as budo and that's the most valuable part I've got from him.

Other very important part I've got practicing other MA before Aikido is to be patient, to concentrate on what is taught, not to expect miracles in couple of days and be discouraged, to be persistent.

Then of cource the body physical condition, which helps me to concentrate on the technique.

Plus maybe the ability to deal with different types of pain and to understand my "body language".

And of cource it gave me advantage of understanding the right way to do atemi.

I guess that's enaugh to vote "very important".

bbleeker 10-26-2004 05:48 AM

Re: Poll: How important has experiencing other martial arts been for you in understan
 
For me, it hasn't been important at all, but I've only done a little bit of karate.

PeterR 10-26-2004 06:04 AM

Re: Poll: How important has experiencing other martial arts been for you in understanding aikido more deeply?
 
Even with the resistance randori (testing of technique) that we do there is a tendency to get insular - to me its very clear which people have stepped outside the box.

Where there is no testing of technique it becomes even more important.

Amendes 10-26-2004 10:44 AM

Re: Poll: How important has experiencing other martial arts been for you in understanding aikido more deeply?
 
As my Sensei has a background in alot of arts, we tend to have some extra fun stuff thrown in, mostly silat and sometimes some stretches that I've seen in qouigong <Not sure of the spelling>.

Anyways when asked why he added silat to this in he simply replied "Because thats how I was taught when I was learning."

:-P

As for James' quote about Aikido not relying on sight as much as feeling, I tend to agree with you.
I know for fact there is an Aikido sensei who is very good at teaching, and can see just about everything her students do when performing techniques with them. The only thing that might surprise you about here is she is blind.

JMCavazos 10-26-2004 11:44 AM

Re: Poll: How important has experiencing other martial arts been for you in understanding aikido more deeply?
 
I voted "not very important".

I have studied Shotokan Karate, Tae Kwon Do, Ju Jitsu (grappling) and Aikido. How important has experiencing other martial arts been for understanding aikido? Well, really, none!!! I have an understanding of how kicks and punches come and what a grappler would like to do if he takes you to the ground, or what a ju jitsu person looks for when they're looking for an armbar, choke, etc... As uke I can probably kick & punch better than your regular "John Doe". But, as far as understanding and bettering my aikido, well --- not really.

As a matter of fact, my students who have cross trained or come from other martial arts have habits that aren't aiki in nature and depending on how long they've been exposed to those other martial arts could take a long time to un-imprint (I know there is a better word for this). Sometimes it is counter productive, especially when they start saying: in "so and so martial art" we do this...... It seems to get in their way instead of help.

I think that cross training is fine. But when you are in aikido, do aikido, when you are in tae kwon do, do tae kwon do. Cross train - don't get cross confused. I think that it is more important to get a solid grounding in basics before branching out to other martial arts. In my opinion, a good grounding in basics probably takes a person to about a sandan level. If you want something else at that point, then I would say it is OK to search out another martial art to supplement aikido. Starting out in a "bunch" of martial arts as a beginner, in my opinion, only serves to confuse a person, not making the other martial art better.

Remember, this is only MY opinion as through MY experiences. Shotokan since I was 15 yrs old to my 20's, Tae Kwon DO in my 20's, Ju Jitsu in my 30's, Aikido in my 30's & 40's. Aikido is by far the most successful for ME.


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