aikido throws
i need to know how you could possibly throw someone in a realistic attack,all the aikido throws seem fake since we roll with them in class.how do you throw someone without enough enough momenteum to actually throw them.
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You keep asking these questions, Josh, but it would be a lot more productive if you found your answers in your own dojo.
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With the realistic attack someone would likely get hurt. We take the falls the way we do to protect ourselves and continue training. Would they look as pretty as they do in the dojo? I doubt it. But if someone cranks a kotegaeshi or sankyo on you and you don't move with it-something is going to give-joint, ligament, muscle. Also, atemi is more likely to be used in a real situation to set up the technique.
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IMHO, give it time, you sound very impatient to get to reality. Don't be in such a rush, its not all its cracked up to be.
With more training and experience, you will find that the throws, locks, and take downs can be very realistic. The first time you find yourself getting mad because someone threw you too hard, put a lock on too hard, or you regrettably get hurt, you'll quit asking about reality and begin training harder towards it. But, don't miss the the benefits of all the other less than realistically practical training too. |
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If you are really learning aikido, these questions are supposedly answered really well by your sensei and sempai. just a thought too. |
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Jeez Josh...you've only been doing aikido for 3 months according to one of your other posts. If someone was to throw you with intent you'd end up a puddle dripping down between the cracks of the dojo mats.
Give it time. and be glad that people aren't try to hurt you. Just a thought, --Michael |
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When you want to learn to play basketball, what do you do?
Do you go join a professional basketball team and play against michael jordan? Of course not, you'd get your ass stomped into the pavement. No, you practice! frequently in a CONTROLLED ENVIROMENT (eg, taking shots at the hoop in your driveway, practice dribbling etc) Then you move on to playing games with people your own skill level or people who are a bit better than you. You start learning from others and keep drilling those basics (passes, shots, more complex dribbling etc) Once this becomes engrained in you, then you can challenge michael jordan. And I can guarentee you, EVERY proffesional basketball player out there, no matter how many years they've been playing, STILL practices all their moves in controlled enviroments when they practice. |
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I don't...you know. Just for the record. I'm gentle. and nice. I even smile at babies and other small creatures. :straightf |
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I thought the same thing when I started Aikido...how can I make someone flip. The truth is nobody is ever going to flip in real life unless they are also trained in ukemi and want to protect their joints. In Aikido, nearly all the techniques are meant to seriously injure someone if applied martially. For example, if shihonage was applied full force on an untrained person, you would a bunch of tissue tearing and bone cracking. The guy would not have time to fall. In kotegaeshi, when you turn the wrist over, the guy might not even fall, his wrist will just snap. Rarely is it possible to throw someone except for kokyunages and koshinages.
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If you are blending, rather than forcing someone over, throws are very realistic. Most aikido training is 'technique based' i.e. someone attacks and you do a set technique. However in reality (and at a higher level) the technique fits the attack. Thus you are just continuing uke in the direction they are going. The reason we 'roll with them' most of the time is because we are learning one technique at a time. Until the techniques can be performed instinctively and you can change between them easily you won't understand how this works - just keep training!
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Josh,
it's refreshing to meet someone else who asks questions and gets slapped silly! thanks buddy. Josh asked: Quote:
1. standing on two feet is tricky. 2. walking is REAL tricky. 3. ukemi is your friend. learn to love it anyway - ask a friend to stand in place. walk behind them and to one side. place one hand on their shoulder. pull back then push straight down. they can't stand up!!!! it's physiology. if you add back the techniques you find you have just exploited the off balance point effected by kote gaishi, sumi otoshi, and iriminage, and proabably others. have fun - train soft until you can protect yourself. (note my avatar) billybob |
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You should absolutely ask your sensei if he can apply a technique to one of your attacks to make you believe. Not an all out attack but let's say a 1/2 combat speed hook. I understand that you must buy into it in order to practice with faith. So, just get ready to fall.. Good Luck!
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its interesting to learn that moves like shiho nage and kotogaishi wont take you to the ground instead your bones will snap beforehand is this really true
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Josh,
a wise man once said, questions like this mean you need to train more. All questions will be answered with time, dedication to the art and lots of training. train well learn lots and have fun JA :D |
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And...I don't recommend trying this out to see. The most dangerous Aikidoka out there is one who has learned the technique movements, but has not gained the sense of how strong each technique actually is. This is (in my experience) usually about 4th/3rd kyu. Since this is also the time that the "showing your friends this Aikido stuff" starts to work it's very likely to injure someone outside of the controlled environment of the dojo Be careful out there! |
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josh,
I can tell you from personal experience that if you believe in your own ability in preforming aikido that it will work. As a police officer I have been able to use a number of throws and locks on more than one occasion. HAVE FAITH IT WORKS. Jim |
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Jordan Steele wrote:
In Aikido, nearly all the techniques are meant to seriously injure someone if applied martially. For example, if shihonage was applied full force on an untrained person, you would a bunch of tissue tearing and bone cracking. The guy would not have time to fall. In kotegaeshi, when you turn the wrist over, the guy might not even fall, his wrist will just snap. both of these techniques can be applied (incorrectly) in just the way you describe, however both of these techniques applied in an aikido manner are not joint destructive... in either IF you twist or cut to the out side you are indeed probably going to injure the joints... that is more of a jujutsu application... kote gaeshi is not a twist out of the wrist but a 'curling' of the wrist in the same direction as the fingers are pointing... shiho nage is not a twist or torque of the shoulder, but more like using the arm as a handle to lead the balance beyond the rear corner and cause uke to fall... these are common misapplications of these techniques... the more destructive application is also easier to kaeshi... |
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I agree with you Edwin, I thought that the application of aikido was specifically 'not' to cause damage.
If properly applied to the trained individual, they will roll as they are following the technique. If they are untrained then the controlled application of the technique will lead them to a point where they no longer want to continue as to do so would cause themselves pain. If the technique is applied beyond what is neccessary then aikido stats to morph into something else. However there may be the rare occasion....... |
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Yes we often do give nage our ukemi - i.e. we make a concious decision to roll. Not always, I like another poster did my first top ukemi of a kotegaeshi with no idea that it was about to happen. But many times we make a decision to do an ukemi.
The best response I've ever heard to that is that taking ukemi is like tapping out in grappling arts. People don't tap out in real life, just like they don't do big ukemi in real life. The ukemi is a signal that yes you have compromised my balance to the point where I'm in danger of injury so I must abandon my attack and protect myself. And just like tapping out, if you choose not to take ukemi, then bad things could happen to you. It won't necessarily look pretty like in the dojo, but it will stop the attack. |
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